Ted Nugent Kills And Guts Rabbit On Movie Set
Posted by Dirty Harry on Saturday, June 21st, 2008
While this was going on, somewhere on high, God elbowed Chuck Heston, pointed down, and said with a grin, “Check this out.”
Country singer Toby Keith held a press conference at BMI Thursday afternoon to talk about his new movie, Beer for My Horses. Due to hit theaters Aug. 8[.] …
Keith and [director Michael] Salomon did all the casting, assembling a terrific group of actors that includes … gonzo rocker and hunting buff Ted Nugent.
At one point, Keith added, a cottontail rabbit crossed the movie set. Nugent, who still had his crossbow in hand from the scene they had just finished filming, shot the animal and gutted it, right in front of all the Hollywood types there on location.
This story is so filled with awesomeness that any attempt to tell me it’s not true will result in a hands-over-ears lalalalalalala moment.
Not just any rabbit, a cottontail rabbit. As someone who’s been on-location with “Hollywood types” I can tell you I would’ve given a year of my life to have been there.
Just keep in mind, had Nugent performed a partial-birth abortion the “Hollywood types” would’ve applauded “the reproductive-rights performance art.”
[Many thanks to Researcher Rich]
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NeoConJedion 21 Jun 2008 at 8:06 pm 1“While this was going on, somewhere on high, God elbowed Chuck Heston, pointed down, and said with a grin, ‘Check this out.’ ”
Hilarious!
That’s awesome! The Nuge strikes again.
Splashon 21 Jun 2008 at 8:49 pm 2Given the Nuge and the song this movie is based on, it’s a good bet this will be wonderfully politically incorrect. I also have a sneaking suspicion Ted Nugent will surprise a few people with his acting ability. In a good way.
Templaron 21 Jun 2008 at 9:48 pm 3Bah, you Americans have all the fun…
Carolynon 21 Jun 2008 at 9:56 pm 4Hey, wouldn’t it have been neat if Nugent had drunk the bunny’s blood like that scene in ‘Red Dawn’?
BTW, this reminds me of when some woman asked Bob Goldthwait what the difference was between a hamster and a gerbil. Bob said he wasn’t sure but he thought that hamsters had more dark meat.
E Porvaznikon 21 Jun 2008 at 9:56 pm 5Sniff… I am proud to live in a country that still allows Ted Nugent to be Ted Nugent.
Bloody Samon 21 Jun 2008 at 11:08 pm 6Has Ted done any acting since his guest-starring bit on Miami Vice, back in ‘85? It wasn’t much of a part, had very little dialogue, but he looked great in the role (murderous take-off artist ripping off wannabe drug dealers, with the aid of his drop-dead gorgeous French girlfriend).
This isn’t the first time Ted’s shocked showbiz colleagues with his hunting prowess. Years ago, when they were first in Damn Yankees together, Ted persuaded Tommy Shaw to accompany him on a bow-hunt, then horrified Shaw by actually bagging, I believe, a deer with one shot.
abeon 21 Jun 2008 at 11:23 pm 7Oh I agree. Liberals are teh suck.
rick mcginnison 22 Jun 2008 at 12:31 am 8I’ve already booked Ted to play my daughter’s birthday party.
At a petting zoo.
Thudon 22 Jun 2008 at 4:15 am 9He wasted the shot on a bunny whilst he had hollywood folk present as potential targets…the Nuge is slipping.
Daveon 22 Jun 2008 at 5:19 am 10I’m guessing that the “No Animals Were Harmed” ASPCA credit will not show on this one.
Stephanieon 22 Jun 2008 at 6:00 am 11I am laughing my arse off right now. As a hunter I applaud. Oh man…..too good. All he had to do then as he was getting out his muskrat knife to gut the bunny is ask the freaked out Hollywierdos…was it good for you? LOL!
I love watching his show because its a walk on the truly wild side. The thing is like all real hunters he loves the animals. There is absolute respect for the critters. Its very Native American in lots of ways…….so freaking awesome. Makes me wanna get my 22 and shoot a few squirrels now. Dang!
Outlaw 13on 22 Jun 2008 at 7:18 am 12Ted and Toby Keith came to Camp Taji, Iraq while I was there in 2004. It was one of the most outrageous non PC things I have ever seen in my life…I know the entire chain of command was cringing when Ted spoke about liberals in Congress and Black hawk blow-jobs.
IT. WAS. AWESOME.
Kevin J waldroupon 22 Jun 2008 at 7:21 am 13I’m guessing that the “No Animals Were Harmed” ASPCA credit will not show on this one.
Yes Animals Were Harmed YSOCA on this movie
Stephanieon 22 Jun 2008 at 7:48 am 14OMG Outlaw that is hilarious. I love Ted. He rocks.
They are trying to get a No Wake Zone on my old hunting ground in the Upper Mississippi wild life refuge. Apparently some birdie watcher was out paddling his canoe with his son down the creek between the marshes in Target Lake and because this genius (from Minneappolis BTW as in did. not. grow. up. in. La Crosse or La Crescent.) had no running lights on his canoe he nearly got fouled by an air boat. Of course he also I believe works for the Federal Fish and Wildlife Service and he is out and out anti hunting. He raised a stink about his experience with the big bad airboat and voila the Fed decided to do a “study” of the situation. (In Mr. Nissens opine the big bad air boats were making the birds go away…which is absolute bullshit) and they decided to do a no wake zone between October 1st through November 1st………..and that is all of DUCK SEASON!
So the hunters who know this is just a ruse to mask a hunting ban on the Federal Wild Life Refuge have tried to get a lawyer to sue the Feds. They cant find one. I am gonna do some stuff here and make up a list of things the guys can do. I hope someone out there reads this and wants to contact me. The guys need help. This is our heritage for goddsake. I grew up hunting in that area and plan on hunting tehre again. No friggen big city greenhorn with no clue about animals should be allowed to cry wolf and have hurt so many more people. GRRRRRRRRR
Anyway…….
Carolynon 22 Jun 2008 at 8:15 am 15Stephanie - try the Thomas More Law Center.
http://www.thomasmore.org/qry/page.taf?id=14
This superb law firm VERY successfully defended the Haditha Marines. If they can’t give you a lawyer to defend your rights, for sure they will be able to guide you to one that can. Good luck!
trentk268on 22 Jun 2008 at 8:25 am 16Once again, Ted makes us all proud to be gun-lovin’ Americans. I just wish that someone could have captured the whole thing on You Tube. Seeing the expressions of the Hollyweird elite would have been priceless.
Avery Bullardon 22 Jun 2008 at 11:07 am 17So Americans love their animal cruelty! Yee-haw! What a country! Imagine a grown man thinking he’s funny and manly(!!!) to needlessly kill harmless animals. He must have a very small penis to compensate for.
Ted makes us all proud to be gun-lovin’ Americans
OMG Outlaw that is hilarious. I love Ted.
I am laughing my arse off right now. As a hunter I applaud
wouldn’t it have been neat if Nugent had drunk the bunny’s blood
Hilarious! That’s awesome! The Nuge strikes again.
I guess this helps expain lack of American empathy for the thousands of Iraqis and Serbs they’ve killed. You probably see them as animals as well.
I’m hoping next time “The Nuge” takes out his crossbow he hits one of his children. Now that would be “awesome” and “hilarious”.
Thudon 22 Jun 2008 at 11:24 am 18Avery…as for the Nuge being manly…I doubt it would take him more than 5 seconds to skin and gut a leftist shit such as yourself….but then my wife could probably do that herself..lefties are not much of a challenge except for what they are full of.
Outlaw 13on 22 Jun 2008 at 11:34 am 19You know Avery, every “Iraqi” I’ve killed was shooting at me first. I type “Iraqi” because the vast majority of individuals we end up engaging are other than Iraqi citizens.
I have a lot of sympathy for the Iraqi people. Sympathy that they had to put up with Saddam and his family for decades. Decades of them killing anyone who had the temerity to speak out or even people who were unlucky enough to lose a soccer game. Sympathy for people who have Iranians, Syrians, Saudis and all manner of people from other countries coming there to foment trouble and to terrorize the Iraqi people who just want to get on with their lives.
Not knowing what Mr. Nugent did after he killed the rabbit this is just pure supposition, but it is possible that he cooked and ate it.
Unless you are a vegan, Mr. Bullard, harmless animals are killed for your benefit and consumption every day…enjoy your dinner.
Stephanieon 22 Jun 2008 at 11:34 am 20Thanks Carolyn. I am coming up with a plan. A sort of hit em on all fronts……I need to get a hold of local Universitys Conservative group, and then the Leadership Institute, and the NRA. Gonna blitz the media nationally with the whiners name. Its no time to be sitting here with our heads up our butts and hiding like conservatives do all the time. GRRRRRRRRRRRR
And as for Avery…Avery I have shot about 9 deer…how long would it take for me to skin you? Heh.
Stephanieon 22 Jun 2008 at 11:39 am 21Outlaw Semper Fi dude. Avery Rabbit is actually very good. It tastes like well a better version of chicken. Try it roasted in a dutch over with a little sage, onions, garlic, Paprika, salt, pepper, and parsely. Oh and boiled baby potatoes and asparagas spears with hollandaise sauce is good. A good wine with rabbit is a German Riesling. They also have some fine German reds. Just a thought. And I used to raise great big fat New Zealand White Rabbits named after the rabbits in Watership Down. Rabbits are by no means innocent cute furrys, the bite, and scratch worse than a cat and I still have some claw marks to prove it. They are mostly mean as sh*t.
Stephanieon 22 Jun 2008 at 3:19 pm 22And a question, Avery were you trying to shove leftwing propaganda down our throats while wearing your Che Quevera pjs? Do you have the kind with feet in them to? Just wanna know what you all on the left are wearing this time of year.
maatkareon 22 Jun 2008 at 3:41 pm 23Not a hunter myself, but I eat meat, wear leather, don’t worry much about slaughterhouse conditions, etc. But having said that…this city gal confesses she’d probably lose her lunch in a hurry at seeing it done in front of her. God bless y’all hunters…I will just browse the Cabela catalog until you get back with my dinner.
Stephanieon 22 Jun 2008 at 4:29 pm 24Maatkare the moment you shoot your first duck in the air is the moment where the doubts go…its a HUGE high!
maatkareon 22 Jun 2008 at 5:34 pm 25Stephanie, I shot shotguns at clay pigeons once…I enjoyed it immensely, but sad to say, after a few early lucky hits, the clay pigeon population remained quite stable.
Keith Nolanon 22 Jun 2008 at 10:42 pm 26Ah, yes, Ted Nugent, All-American Hero, Killer of Rabbits, Mocker of Liberals, Lover of Automatic Weapons, A Real Man’s Man…..
Except, of course, when it was time for this gun-lovin’ super-patriot to suit up and go shoot some Viet Cong. Somehow, he wiggled out of that macho challenge…. just like so many other right-wing heroes of the baby-boomer generation: Bush, Cheney, Newt, Limbaugh, ad naseum.
I mean, given Nugent’s hard-right politics, and love of blood-and-guts, you’d have thought he’d have given his eye teeth for the chance to drill holes through as many godless commies as he could square his sights on.
Course, unlike bunnies, those pesky VC and NVA actually shot back.
Some tough guy…..
Keith Nolan
Bobon 23 Jun 2008 at 1:20 am 27This about is probably about as futile as asking Obama fans to explain exactly WHY the man is soooo captivating to them, but I’m going to ask anyway…
Exactly what is the “cool” part of this story?
I mean, just asking here: Did the rabbit pose a threat to anyone there? Was it rabid? Were these people starving and out of food UNLESS someone could get a rabbit? Are rabbits at infestation-level population in the area, causing Australia-level damage to the local ecosystem, public health and economy? Was it running away with a million-dollar ring in it’s mouth or something? Was it doing anything other than running by minding it’s own business? Cause, unless any of those are in play, I fail to see how this anything but an outright creeptastic thing for Nugent - or anyone - to pull.
Now, before everyone piles on, my bonafides: I am against gun control. I support hunters and hunters rights. I am a meat eater. I fish. I have trapped small game. (I do not hunt because I do not have a gun license at this time.) I have eaten fresh (same day, I was informed) killed wild game. I vote against extreme hunting and trapping restrictions (which are ALWAYS on the damn ballot here.) I am an outdoorsman. I know the very real danger even an armed man faces against wild animals. I am a friend to hunters on a level that is not common in this region. I know full well the rotten way they are often treated, and the unfairness and immaturity with which they are villified. Which is why this sort of thing INFURIATES me.
Was this about Nugent taking out a threatening animal (even a rabid wild dog, really) on the set, I’d be right there saying “yeah, good job.” People need to understand the truth of “red in tooth and claw” and how that applies to man and nature. But that’s NOT what occured here. What happened here was Nugent showing off. This isn’t the actions of some great master outdoorsman proving his mettle against the forest primeval - this is BULLY. Nugent props himself up as the spokesman for American hunters, but here he harms them massively by intentionally embodying in real life the most scurrilious and pervasive stereotype: The Hunter as small, insecure man inflicting violence on smaller creatures in order to make himself look/feel bigger.
Also, and hunting experts are free to correct me here, am I wrong in reading the play-by-play of this as sounding REALLY unsafe? He discharged his weapon on a movie set, likely with lots of people around, at a small mobile target? That can’t fall under a reasonable definition of “responsible use.”
Stephanieon 23 Jun 2008 at 7:17 am 28Keith
Your telling my brothers who at least 3 of them were of age are cowards? They all could have gone to Vietnam. They didnt. One of course actually did become a Hippy and did piss my Dad off but man you need to lighten up..
unless …I…won’t…say…it………I smell a leftwinger…….D’oh!
Stephanieon 23 Jun 2008 at 7:18 am 29Oh and Keith just a question: Ever see an F-104 Star Fighter in action? It was a fighter designed to intercept Soviet Bombers. I saw two here recently during an air show. You cannot be a coward and fly one of them. W flew one of them. And am snorting here I sincerely doubt you do.
Robert Lindseyon 23 Jun 2008 at 8:14 am 30I’ve always been a Nugent fan.
Outlaw 13on 23 Jun 2008 at 11:15 am 31The Prez flew F-102’s not 104’s…but it still was a handfull.
Stephanieon 23 Jun 2008 at 11:24 am 32I know and I wish we had an edit to fix that…I just came back to this thread and realized I screwed my post up.
Anyway we saw the F 102 here in the land of humid not too long ago. Freaking fast. A flying jet fuel tank….and I am still waiting for one of the haters to explain why its cowardice to fly fighters. So, why is it?
Keith Nolanon 23 Jun 2008 at 12:51 pm 33Good afternoon, Ms Stephanie. Sure, maybe I should lighten up. The antics of Ted Nugent aren’t exactly worth a heated debate: I mean, the guy’s a hypocrite (super-patriot draft dodger, etc.), and is essentially a moron, as evidenced (most recently) by his obscenity-laced, semi-literate, on-stage rant about wanting to introduce his M16 into various body parts of various liberal politicians. (You can find the nutso video over at Rolling Stone Magazine’s website.)
But, you must admit there is something a little galling about guys like Nugent, who wrap themselves in the flag and talk tough…. but who made sure to hide under the bed when their nation was at war, and they were of prime age to slap on a helmet and pick up a rifle.
I mean, if you duck out of a war you support as a conservative (and super-patriot Nugent admits to being a draft-dodger in his Vietnam-era youth), you might want to walk a little softly in the macho department after that.
Zapping bunnies does not compensate for such rank hypocricy, and, yes, cowardice.
And I’m sorry, but regarding the other famous right-wing draft-dodgers (Bush, etc.), chosing to fly jets on the weekend with the Guard does not a hero make. Most people consider it fun and cool to be a pilot, and it wasn’t like Bush was tangling with MIGs over Texas.
C’mon, aren’t you a little embarrassed by the sheer number of tough-talking conservatives who ducked out of Vietnam?
Keith Nolan
Max Poweron 23 Jun 2008 at 1:50 pm 34Man, where did all the trolls come from?
Stephanieon 23 Jun 2008 at 3:54 pm 35Keith your arrogance Im better than you shtick is LAME!
What you are doing is WHINING! CLassic Liberals do not whine Keith we do. Period. Now get off of Nuges back.
I can name more than a few asses who did serve and then promptly shot back at their own country. George McGovern ring a bell? Sheesh……
Keith Nolanon 23 Jun 2008 at 4:58 pm 36Oh, c’mon, Max, trolls are fun. Who wants to be in an echo chamber where everyone agrees with everyone else?
And, Stephanie, I sure might be lame, but I don’t think I’m arrogant. I certainly don’t think I’m better than anyone, as you state. And noting that Ted Nugent is a complete fraud is not whining. It’s just pointing out the obvious.
And I say that, by the way, as a right-wing, gun-lovin’ kinda guy myself. I just find it more fun to shoot targets than defenseless animals minding their own business in their own little patches of earth.
Anyway, if you don’t mind my asking, just what do you mean when you state that “I can name more than a few asses who did serve and then promptly shot back at their own country. George McGovern ring a bell?”
Well, yeah, McGovern flew missions over Europe with the U.S. Army Air Force during WWII, then got into politics as a Democrat. Don’t remember him shooting at his own country, though, figuratively or literally!
I truly don’t know what you’re talking about at this point.
If possible, do address when time permits how you feel about all the bunny-blastin’, flag-waving super-patriots like Ted Nugent who did everything possible to keep their butts out of a war, even as they cheered for that very war from the sidelines.
Seems kinda chicken and hypocritical to me.
Finally, getting blitzed at the O Club like Bush, then larking around in jets on the weekend is not a mark of courage–not when there was a real shooting war beckoning on the other side of the world, a war that Bush claimed to support like a good Republican.
Best,
Keith Nolan
Stephanieon 23 Jun 2008 at 6:09 pm 37Jeez……..
Keith I have a brother who got tear gassed at the riots in Madison during the Vietnam War and now he is more of a Republican and patriot than even I am. As in he is to my right. Is he a fraud to?
Just let it go Keith. Reagan was once a Democrat. Hell boy I toyed with leftwing politics till my Dad kicked me in the ass.
I think its just condencending BS from certain people that they can tell us who is and who is not a real “conservative”. That is horse poo and you know it Keith.
Stephanieon 23 Jun 2008 at 6:11 pm 38Apparently for some a man has to be the second coming of Barry Goldwater in order to have conservative creds. And that is Bullshit.
Troyon 23 Jun 2008 at 6:39 pm 39Keith… since when has being in the military been the sole measure of bravery and/patriotism? Show me ONE QUOTE where your axis of evil — Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith et al. have ever said such a thing — ever. You can’t, because they haven’t said it nor do they believe it.
A martial career is usually honorable and distinguishing, but hardly the sole measure of goodness. Hitler was a patriot and by all accounts a brave soldier — wounded in battle. Benedict Arnold was courageous and a good general. Napoleon was a genius and also a brave soldier.
Abe Lincoln had less military experience than GW Bush, FDR had none also. Have you flown a bucket of bolts at near Mach speed? Unless you have, then by your own standards you can’t use the chicken hawk canard. If you have flown jets and still call him a coward then you are a disingenuous bullshitter and not really worth arguing with until you show some intellectual honesty. Disagreeing with the Iraq War is an honorable position — ad hominem chickenhawk BS, however, is weak-minded.
Stephanieon 23 Jun 2008 at 6:55 pm 40Oh he brings up Doug Feith? Hmmmm next time I am in DC I will ask him how he would answer that insane tirade by Keith. Doug Feith is a good guy Keith. You know its funny a man writes a book about a subject, a leftwing lunatic doesn’t like his opinion and suddenly poof the guy is a Chicken Hawk? Hmmmmmmm. I wonder does Keith think Michael Moore is a Chickenhawk? He hasn’t served in the military and he totally disagrees with the war.
And as far as disagreeing with the Iraq war fine, of course a person is also a moron for not knowing and realizing what a sponge for the left he or she is.And Keith still has never answered my question about F 102’s. Bucket of bolts indeed. LOUD….insanely fast. Ever see one Keith? In reality I mean.
Keith Nolanon 23 Jun 2008 at 11:17 pm 41Quick answer, guys, but since you brought Michael Moore into the fray, I’ll say that I HATE Michael Moore. He is a disengenous, fact-twisting Leftist gas bag of the worst order who embarrasses almost every subject he touches.
Michael Moore, however, is NOT a chickenhawk. A chickenhawk is a guy who professes to support a war, and gets his rocks off talking tough about military action, but who thinks his own skin is too precious to risk in wars he rhetorically supports.
I’m NOT a left-winger. Nor am I anti-gun or anti-military. I just don’t dig on guys who talk tough, and strut around like martial he-men (Ted Nugent, the draft-dodger, sure loves to wear military fatigues and play with M16s on stage), but who wimped out when the time came to saddle up themselves.
Face it: when Bush and Nugent and Limbaugh and Newt and Cheney, et al, could have gone mano-a-mano with the commies they professed to believe were trying to conquer the globe, they stayed home, and let others fight their battles.
Fair enough. Most of us are chicken at heart. But, knowing that we are chicken at heart, we then don’t strut around like big macho tough guys, as do Nugent and Bush and the rest of those phonies.
Anyway, I can’t get too excited about Bush’s heroism in the Air Guard, when he joined the Air Guard precisely to avoid Vietnam–as he readily admitted back in his younger days.
Hell, asking me to admire Bush because he opted to fly jets is like asking me to admire Paul Newman (that left-wing SOB!) because he liked to race dangerous sports cars when he was younger.
Getting an adrenaline thrill from a fast-paced and potentially-dangerous activity (jets, race cars, hunting, etc.) ain’t the same as saying good-bye to family, friends, and civilization, and risking life, limb, and sanity while humping a rucksack and M16 for a year in a hellhole like Vietnam.
Anyway, I never brought up Doug Feith or Iraq. In fact, you guys have no idea where I stand on the War On Terror. You make a lot of assumptions.
I do think Nugent is a total fraud, however. And I still don’t know why Stephanie thinks a patriot and combat veteran like McGovern is worthy of our scorn (fired on his own country, she claims!) while those who stayed home during their generation’s war are supposed to be revered as tough-guy heroes!
No hard feelings, and cheers to all you true believers!
Keith Nolan
wfon 25 Jun 2008 at 1:28 pm 42Leaving aside the matter of Ted Nugent, the chickenhawk argument is especially pointless when made against elected leaders. Does that mean only McCain could declare war but Obama would be a chickenhawk if he did? Who was the last president who did NOT send soldiers into harms´s way? Bush came into office wanting a “humbler” foreign policy and to focus on domestic issues. Didn´t happen that way. Like all the others, Bush had to make his decisions as best he could. Whether he was right or wrong has nothing to do with his biography. I also think Bush was not “strutting around” but conducted himself in a serious manner, very appropriately for a c-i-c. He certainly behaved much more responsible and dignified than antiwar veterans such as Jack Murtha, Charlie Rangel or John Kerry. Or all the Democrats who voted for the war and then swiched sides (I´m sure we agree)
I also consider flying an F-102 to be service and a whole lot better than nothing, which is what most Americans did. The F-102 had a high accident rate. And as far as I know Bush´s unit conducted missions in Vietnam at the time Bush enlisted. Maybe you yourself are too eager to pass judgement.
Keith Nolanon 25 Jun 2008 at 5:38 pm 43Hi, WF. Bush’s unit did NOT conduct missions in Vietnam. He joined that particular unit precisely because it did not conduct missions in Vietnam.
In his younger days, Bush used to readily admit that he joined the Guard because the other alternatives to avoiding the war (running to Canada, damaging his eardrum so to be declared 4F) were too drastic for him.
Anyway, I don’t think Bush has conducted himself in a “serious manner,” not with his “bring ‘em on/smoke ‘em out/dead or alive” nonsense…. his tough-guy carrier landing…. his macho chest-thumping with military academy graduates…. his recent musings to active-duty soldiers that, gee whiz, these sure are exciting times and he wishes he was in the military…. ad naseum….
The ’60s were pretty exciting times, too, and Bush made sure to stay at home.
Once you’ve dodged the draft, you forfeit the right to play a tough guy on TV.
It doesn’t bother me that most politicians don’t have military creds. Most politicians don’t strut around like war heroes, as does Bush.
Outlaw 13on 25 Jun 2008 at 6:20 pm 44Regarding the F-102 and the President’s service in the Texas Air National Guard a comprehensive discussion of the F-102 and it’s service and comments concerning the President can be found HERE.
Here is a short segment of that…
The President was by no means Audie Murphy (but nobody has ever claimed that he was…at least as far as I’m aware), but his service was more than most people in this country put out…less than 1% of the population ever serves in the military.
He’ll be gone from office in less than a year…let it go.
If you don’t like the President it is your right to do so.
wfon 26 Jun 2008 at 3:31 am 45That Bush wore a flight suit for a jet carrier landing and does “macho chest-thumping with military academy graduates” looks like small potatoes to me. Some of it was blown out of proportion by media who later did not show much regard for actual heroes (not reporting on medal of honor winners and so on).
Bush chose to meet many wounded soldiers and families of the fallen. Surely he must know the cost of his decisions. There is no shortage of people in America who can do contrite and somber and mawkish and morally indignant at the drop of a hat - sometimes all at once - but does that help or reassure our soldiers? Or anybody?
Much of this can also be interpreted as a sign of encouragement and respect for those who (unlike me) are actually at war. Let them be the judge. A CEO visiting the shop floor isn´t a hypocrite for wearing a hardhat or bonding with workers. He is only a hypocrite if he shirks his responsibilities to them. For example, Rudy Giuliani stood by his police force when they were attacked as racist murderers. His predecessors and successor are of a different quality. Likewise, Bush has demonstrated political courage regarding the war - which is what counts in a politician - and taking much abuse for it. He made some serious misjudgements, but he is hardly a weathervane like so many others who would have kicked the can down the road or scurried for cover, consequences be damned.
We may yet see such a person in the White House (somber and contrite and morally indignant) and we see many of them in congress and our other institutions right now. I´m not sure we are the better for it.
Keith Nolanon 26 Jun 2008 at 3:27 pm 46Hey, there, Outlaw 13, I’ll certainly let it go, as you suggest…. but it would be nice if ANY of the hard-rightists here would admit to just the slightest discomfort with all the macho tough-talk that comes out of the mouths of guys like Bush, Nugent, Cheney, Limbaugh, Bolten, Newt, etc–all guys who had “other priorities” during the war of their youth–a war they all claim to have supported!
This doesn’t strike you as a bit hypocritical, a bit cowardly?
Nugent admits to being a draft-dodger. He admits he played the psycho card at the induction center (showing up in feces- and urine-caked pants among other antics) to avoid military service. C’mon, doesn’t that mean he forfeited the right to strut around on stage in military fatigues and talk about all the liberal politicians he wants to waste with his M16?
Outlaw 13, the information you provided about the Air Guard during Vietnam included this quote: “Fred Bradley, a friend of Bush’s who was also serving in the Texas ANG, reported that he and Bush inquired about participating in Palace Alert [the program through which Guard pilots volunteered to serve in Vietnam].”
Bradley’s memory of Bush wanting to go to Vietnam stands in stark contrast with the Guard paperwork Bush filled out in which he marked the box indicating he did NOT want overseas duty, AND to this quote Bush provided a Texas newspaper long before he ran for president when asked why he joined the Guard: “I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes.”
Whether or not I think Nugent is a good rocker, and whether or not I think Bush is a good president, are separate issues as to whether I think it’s embarrassing for such draft-dodgers to play the part of macho tough guys now that they’re beyond the age of actually serving in the military.
And, Lordy, I’m still waiting for Stephanie to explain why former combat pilot George McGovern is deserving of our scorn. I mean, McGovern was a veteran of the costly air war over Europe during WWII, and was a pretty soft-spoken gentlemen throughout his political career. Why did Stephanie even bring his name up when defending draft-dodgers like Nugent and Bush?
Best,
Keith Nolan
Outlaw 13on 26 Jun 2008 at 4:45 pm 47My short answer is, I don’t care if they are full of it or not. Neither did the vast majority of the people I served with in Iraq. It is what it is.
The things you objected to about the President I found understandable and from the view of the troops he did those actions with, morale producing. If you don’t/didn’t like it that’s fine, but I don’t think that makes the President some strutting pretender.
I enjoyed seeing Mr. Nugent when he visited us in Iraq, as did most of the people who were there.
I suppose it might be a plus that Republicans are at least introspective enough to question the bonafides of those who loudly support military action…I seem to recall nobody on the left really gave a rip about the background of those in the previous administration when they committed troops to battle in Somalia, Bosnia, and various bombing missions in Iraq and the surrounding areas.
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steveon 13 Aug 2008 at 7:47 pm 49Just read about macho-man Nugent slaying that bunny. I’m sixty-something now—in my teens and twenties I too used to kill helpless animals, with guns, mostly rabbits. In retrospect, I am profoundly ashamed of having done so. Getting to where one reviews his deeds (and amends his ways) is a mark of personal evolution. I notice that most of you “yahoo!”-types lack such evolution. Here’s an experiment you can try, which might help you evolve: Take a broadhead arrow and shove it several inches into your body. Then ask yourself, “….does this feel good?” If the answer you give yourself is “No!” or “Hell no!!” then you might want to reconsider why it’s alright to shoot bullets or arrows into the bodies of rabbits and other animals. I think you’re too dispicably selfish, shit-acculturated, and lightweight, mentally, to learn even from this, right? “Yahoo!!” you fuckin’ simpletons.
Outlaw 13on 13 Aug 2008 at 8:05 pm 50I’m sure the bolt that goes into the skull of the steer at the slaughterhouse feels really good to them as well.
It’s called the food chain…get off your high horse.
steveon 14 Aug 2008 at 5:23 pm 51Outlaw–I’m not on any “high horse”—I’ve just spiritually evolved well past the mercillous ape stage where most of humanity is stuck. I gave up all meat (slaughtering, for me, is thusly unnecessary), as well as hunting, years ago. Most of you bloody-handed simians aren’t able, &/or willing, to comprehend it, but man is innately a vegetarian. Of course, as I’ve long ago come to realize, human beings are very rarely any better than their upbringing induces them to be. I call it Chip Off the Old Blockism…..”Pa killed animals, n’ et em, and, so, by gawd, do I !!” It’s at this point the chip off the old block generally wants to kill you–for presuming to “knock” the shit that fills his and his effin “pa’s” stupid heads. This same nasty generational transition of traits , of acculturations, is found all over the world….in the Muslim countries it manifests (tho’ in a differnt language/dialect than I’m able to mimic) as: “Pa’s in favor of bein’ a suicide bomber….and, by allah, so am I!”– and here too the desire to kill whoever’s knocked his shit-headed acculturation kicks in. Evolve your heart and mind and you too will ‘get this.’ (Okay, your turn…it’s time to call me a “left-wing pussy” whom you’d “love ta kill.”)
steveon 23 Aug 2008 at 12:43 pm 52Hi, Steve. This is me, Steve; aka, you. I just wanted to tell you that “I couldn’t agree more” with all you’ve (I’ve) said. Indeed much of mankind viciously mistreats animals….God help the animal that is considered by these cruel apes as “jus’ part o’ the food chain.” // And then there’s “hunting”—you’ve noticed/I’ve noticed (one and the same thing, as we’re both me) that many humans are so devoid of wisdom class and mercy, that if you “label a thing” a certain way they’ll, dumb shits that they are, justify any cruelty…I.e., if you call one sort of animal cruelty “hunting” then these simpletons will delight in killing and maiming animals (”game”), with various weapons, with zero regard for their feelings, or their lives….after all, it’s “hunting”–that’s an “outdoor sport”—a “right of passage” for young knuckleheads, etc. Pretty disgusting group, unenlightened humanity.
steveon 31 Aug 2008 at 12:40 pm 53Stephanie, sweetheart….I read all of your above comments. You are one remarkably dismal, heartless fuckin’ cunt. Your very existence brings deep shame to womankind and to humankind itself. “Dang!”
skipkenton 22 Oct 2008 at 12:10 pm 54I’ve given up meat and dairy (leather, even) myself and am vegan in all but the political sense. I don’t enjoy killing animals myself but have no problems at all with those who, provided their intent in doing so is not simply to prolong and enjoy the animal’s suffering.
I see plenty of humor in the Nugent/rabbit/Hollywood anecdote and it doesn’t bother me a bit. If it really happened, most of those most shocked no doubt went on to steak dinners and leather couches and so on without a single thought about their own part in things.
Ted lives as he speaks which I respect a great deal. He hasn’t run or tried to hide from early draft-dodging days, and has since done much in the way of supporting and entertaining our troops to make amends. If someone thinks he has long ago forfeited the right to act on his current convictions, well, go on up and tell him so.
But it’s funny how Nugent can be damned for his draft-dodging, which he is the first to deplore and regret, while Ayres is lauded and given awards for harming America and Americans, actions for which he has shown anything but regret.
And to say that you are ’spiritually evolved’ because you have given up meat and hunting, and then damn and curse those who behave differently is the worst sort of hypocrisy. You’ve just traded one set of mistakes for another. People, even the ones we don’t like, are more important than animals.
steveon 04 Nov 2008 at 12:33 pm 55Skipkent—You’re right in several ways. I displayed way less than wisdom when I “stooped to” cursing and railing against hunters-slash-unrepentant animal killers. You couldn’t be more right, in that regard. I regretted my manner of commenting, right after I’d sent it. Sometimes it is hard being “spiritually evolved” and being “human” at one and the same time. Besides, even if I am, as I claimed, more “spiritually evolved” than the people I’m “knocking,” it certainly isn’t at all “becoming” of me to state it. Humility, in such a claim, is entirely absent—and during my rancorous rants, it was absent as well. And one can’t be “spiritual” if one’s ego is spewing and ranting and cursing. So you are 100-percent right on those counts.// However, unlike you, I do have way more than your professed “no problems at all” with animal killing. This comes from empathy, which I’ve discovered is a quality of mine which is far stronger in me, than it is in the majority of humankind. As to your statement, “people are more important than animals”—I’m advocating sympathy and mercy—I’m not “comparing” the “importance” of people and animals. I’m in full accord w/ your dietary choices. “Have a good one”. S
steveon 18 Dec 2008 at 4:43 pm 56The brilliant Stephanie (”Dang–now I wanna kill me some squirrels!”) says, in speaking of Nugent: “…like all real hunters he loves the animals..” Yes, killing an animal is indeed the way to express your love for it. Another way to show your love is to leave a fellow creature blinded or maimed, with bullets or pellets or arrows in its body….this is the sort of love which hunters express when their first attempt at love (killing) goes slightly amiss. //It has long been evident to me that I am in a world wherein intelligence and decency is a rare commodity; but, notwithstanding their acculaturatedly-acquired justifications for it, one would have to search long and ardently to find a lower, or dumber, lifeform than a “hunter.”
Stephanieon 18 Dec 2008 at 5:18 pm 57AWe Steve the doo gooder….hey Theevy why don’t you n me get lost somewhere in the arctic wilderness. I’ll bring a weeks supply of rounds for my 308, my 12 guage and a few knives, safety matches etc. You can bring your soy milk latte….lets see who walks out alive.
What I love is being told I am mean to animals by a real Thstud muffin like Theetvy….You make my knees weak with your manly virtue. Whats your favorite color Theetvy? Pink? My Dog is more masculine than you are and was neutered.
steveon 22 Dec 2008 at 2:56 am 58Right—it’s very “masculine” to be cruel. Brilliant. That’s as smart and discerning an insight as all the rest of your ignorant, heartless pap. But tell me, intelligent, kind Stephanie: If cruel mistreatment of innocent animals is a sign of “being macho” (…jesus, what a low simpleton this chick is…), then, given the fact you’re “sportin’” a vagina (…and no doubt a reeking one…) haven’t you “got the wrong plumbing” to be as heartless as you are? Sincerely, Stevie, with the soymilk moustache.
steveon 22 Dec 2008 at 3:07 am 59An amendment about Stephanie’s vagina: It is both “reeking” and “seldom visited”….except by her bloody fingers….and/or by the occasional greased-up gun barrel.
Widdle Stevie, with a tummy full of tasty veggies
Joshuaon 15 Apr 2009 at 10:00 pm 60Boy, these far-Righties are something! When they’re not threatening to skin the people who disagree with them (always representatives of a larger liberal oppressor, you’ll notice), they’re whining self-indulgently about the “hatefullness” and “arrogance” they must suffer!
People this nuts shouldn’t have access to firearms at all, though it’s understandable that they should crave them (power and all).
Oh yeah, this was funny: “lefties are not much of a challenge except for what they are full of.” BAM–take that evil liberals! That’s the trouble with getting one’s erections from killing small animals though; you can never be sure if you’re really tough, or you just think you are because your opponent ways 1/100 of your bodyweight and doesn’t have an AR-15. Something to think about…
Adamon 27 Dec 2009 at 10:12 am 61Ted nugent is the best he respects the animals like they should be whenit comes time to hunt he doesnt do it just for the sport he does it for the love of the game and the meat. If you dont agree with teds ways then suck it up and deal with it hes a hunter and there is no way you can stop him.