An Inconvenient Truther
Posted by Dirty Harry on Tuesday, August 5th, 2008
Check out Al Gore’s houseboat. Ben-Hur couldn’t row this thing:
When they start believing in global warming, I might start believing in global warming. But let’s face it, I’m not fooling anyone. We all know that what I’m really saying is that Barack Obama shouldn’t be President because he’s black.
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Full Metal Deer Platoonon 05 Aug 2008 at 12:34 pm 1Be fair DH. Algore needs that houseboat, what with the ice caps melting & oceans rising & homeless polar bears roaming our streets.
Matt Helmon 05 Aug 2008 at 12:41 pm 2Yeah, and he’s got two of every animal on there.
amzarakon 05 Aug 2008 at 12:42 pm 3FMDP,
I laughed out loud at that. Thanks!
Jack Marinoon 05 Aug 2008 at 12:52 pm 4As I have always said, “Algore is a man screaming to be made fun of”
mjkon 05 Aug 2008 at 12:57 pm 5FMDP and Matt Helm,
I applaud you both. Well played.
David Marcoeon 05 Aug 2008 at 12:58 pm 6Man-Bear-Pig!
mjkon 05 Aug 2008 at 1:01 pm 7I was going to make a comment that he needs the Yacht to find ManBearPig, but the first two comments beat mine…
GMKon 05 Aug 2008 at 1:08 pm 8How much you want to bet that climate evangelism is what paid for that thing?
Jeremiahon 05 Aug 2008 at 1:09 pm 9If only Sean Penn had that boat during Katrina…
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The Ugly Americanon 05 Aug 2008 at 1:11 pm 11Check out Leo DiCaprio [a href=”http://www.celebitchy.com/13370/shirtless_leonardo_dicaprio/”>here] soaking up some carbon credits on a yacht in Spain.
Patrickon 05 Aug 2008 at 1:19 pm 12Noooo, merely seeing that name in print is almost enough to make my head explode. But you know, it’s ok, he is doing some sort of phoney baloney carbon offsets so he can cruise around in his boat, planes, SUVs, and keep his 10,000 sq ft house going full blast.
Full Metal Deer Platoonon 05 Aug 2008 at 1:20 pm 13Off topic, but this should really be a separate thread. The Weekly Standard’s cover story is about An American Carol.
[Zucker] adds: “I don’t have any desire to be taken seriously. Really, I really don’t. But having said that, I really believe this stuff. Why can’t I put it out there? And I’m scared to death of Obama. If I didn’t do something about it I would feel–My kids would ask: ‘What did you do in the war Daddy?’”
“I donated my career to stop this s–.”
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/385rlkfy.asp?pg=1
Jenni Juneon 05 Aug 2008 at 1:31 pm 14Oh, man. That made me laugh out loud. You made my afternoon, DH.
Rusty Jameson 05 Aug 2008 at 1:55 pm 15@ “When they start believing in global warming, I might start believing in global warming.”
So let me get this straight, your position on global warming is directly tied to the opinions and actions of a bunch a celebrities? Celebrities you don’t respect no less?
I’m an environmental skeptic in a lot of ways but this out right hostility on the right towards the environment is reprehensible. Until you guys are capable of discussing the issue without turning the debate into a personal referendum on Al Gore you simply don’t deserve to be listened to on the subject.
“Al Gore did this”, “Leo Decaprio said that”, you sound like a sewing circle discussing the celebrity gossip page.
Dirty Harryon 05 Aug 2008 at 1:59 pm 16Rusty:
And then there is the whole “Mars is warming” thing. And George W. Bush isn’t the President of Mars; and there’s no Wal-Mart or Halliburton on Mars; no SUVs, no evil America, either.
Oh, and don’t forget the dust bowl during the depression. Hmm? Not much fossil fuel during that warming trend.
And when the very people who are supposed to be the EXPERTS don’t believe, what better proof is there. Science is beyond me, logic and human nature I get. If Gore believed he would act accordingly. He’s the Goracle — did you miss the whole Nobel Peace Prize thing?
Rusty Jameson 05 Aug 2008 at 2:04 pm 17Harry,
Apparently your comment above is written in some kind of elaborate code. I’ve got my top men on it and hopefully I’ll be able to get back to you on it shortly.
The Ugly Americanon 05 Aug 2008 at 2:12 pm 18So we’re NOT supposed to listen to Al “Nobel Prize” Gore or Leo “11th Hour” DiCaprio?
I’m so corn-fused.
amzarakon 05 Aug 2008 at 2:21 pm 19FMDP,
I read the Weekly Standard article. I was afraid “An American Carol” had the potential to be hokey and easily made fun of by the Left. However, after reading the article, it sounds hilarious. Dennis Hopper as a judge defending his courthouse from the ACLU and the Rosie “O’Connell” bit on the O’Reilly Factor alone sounds like comedy gold. I like the part when Zucker says that when they went looking for things to make fun of the Left with, it wasn’t much of a stretch. I’m now looking forward to this movie. The Left will make fun of it, but I don’t think it will be that easy anymore. Hopefully, it is a hit. If that happens, the floodgates will open.
pizzadogon 05 Aug 2008 at 2:45 pm 20I gotta say DH, you lost me too. Then again, maybe they put decaf in my Starbucks this morning.
As for Rusty,
You don’t think the global warming PR machine that is Big Al, should be acting out what he’s been saying all this time? You mean that the guy that put this issue on the front page shouldn’t be judged by his actions? Believe what he says, not what he does?
Not a legitimate point, huh?
blainemonoon 05 Aug 2008 at 2:49 pm 21That house boat is Dennis Hopper’s first target.
Anyone care to note it looks like it has as much square foot as an average American home.
Again you constantly hear about alternative energy since the cost of oil has gone up but nobody is telling you the cost of that alternative energy is equal too or higher than the current cost of oil.
blainemonoon 05 Aug 2008 at 2:51 pm 22Plus you can’t make polymers from a windmill or solar cell.
Dirty Harryon 05 Aug 2008 at 2:53 pm 23My point is that there’s a ton of reasons not to believe in global warming. Rusty plays Captain Literal and pretends that only reason we don’t believe is because celebrities do.
Why is Mars warming? Maybe the sun has something to do with increasing planet temps?
Why was there a dust bowl 70-plus years ago? Maybe because the weather is cyclical?
And is Al Gore just another celebrity? Another Leo? He has a Nobel Peace Prize for crying out loud.
These left-wingers can’t win an honest debate so they narrow the context to their ground. Yeah, Rusty I don’t believe in global warming because Leo does. You caught me.
mido505on 05 Aug 2008 at 3:04 pm 24Rusty James asks:
“So let me get this straight, your position on global warming is directly tied to the opinions and actions of a bunch a celebrities? Celebrities you don’t respect no less?”
Uh, Al Gore, the leading advocate for the notion that global man-made climate change, caused by the use of the carbon-based fuels that are the very basis of our economy and civilization, will lead to a world-wide Apocalypse, is a former Senator and Vice President. Environmentalism has been his signature issue since his book, Earth In The Balance, was published in 1992, while he was still a sitting Senator. During those sixteen years, eight of which he spent as the second most powerful man in the United States government, Gore presumably had access to the best, most precise, most thorough, most current data on global climate change, man-made or not, made available to him by the most brilliant members of the world scientific community. Yet despite all this, while he has single handedly dragged man-made global climate change and its potential catastrophic consequences for the earth and for its human and animal population into the forefront of public consciousness, Gore has conspicuously fails to act as if he believes his own rhetoric. He and his entourage show up at environmental conferences in a fleet of gas guzzling SUV’s. He jets around the world in a carbon-spewing private plane. He owns homes that use as much electricity as a small third world country. He owns a house boat the size of a Florida Key. In other words, he ain’t actin’ as ascared as he wants us, the American public to be. In other words, he does not believe what he says. In other words, he is a hypocrite. In other words, he is full of shit.
Matt Helmon 05 Aug 2008 at 3:28 pm 25“Apparently your comment above is written in some kind of elaborate code.”
The Left hasn’t broken the Common Sense code after all these years, so it’s very unlikely that you will succeed.
tranquilitason 05 Aug 2008 at 3:34 pm 26Geez, I wish I could get a gig as an elite hypocrite…but then I like to sleep at night and be able to look at myself in the mirror in the morning and not puke
mrpitheron 05 Aug 2008 at 3:48 pm 27Did anyone else see the report on Fox News about how President Bush’s ranch is energy efficient and enviro-friendly? It appears that Gore talks the talk, but doesn’t walk the walk, but President Bush walks the walk without feeling the need to talk the talk. Must be one of those “actions speak louder than words” things.
Rusty Jameson 05 Aug 2008 at 3:48 pm 28@ “Yeah, Rusty I don’t believe in global warming because Leo does. You caught me.”
Since I’m Captain Literal I’ll point out that you literally said as much.
I’m also Captain Obvious so I’ll suggest that maybe if “science is beyond you” you should just resign yourself to agnosticism on the issue.
@ “These left-wingers can’t win an honest debate so they narrow the context to their ground.”
My ground being science I guess? I’m sure in an “honest debate” about celebrity gossip you would win.
Also, I won’t deny being a “left-winger” I guess, I’m certaintly to the left of most of you guys (although I think some of my political positions would surprise you) but I will point out that I haven’t said anything particularly left wing on this site.
Dirty Harryon 05 Aug 2008 at 3:52 pm 29Rusty: Your ground isn’t science. You mentioned nothing of science. You literalized my post into meaning that I didn’t believe in global warming because Leo does. Did I miss the science in that?
Yours is the typical left-wing, can’t win an honest debate so you wrap us ’round the axle of the ridiculous approach.
If you’re not a leftie, you sure as hell debate like one.
Garyon 05 Aug 2008 at 4:00 pm 30Nobody said you couldn’t get rich off of idiots.
Stephanieon 05 Aug 2008 at 4:05 pm 31Oh come on Rusty grow up. Your disingenuous. Completely disingenuous.
Stephanieon 05 Aug 2008 at 4:07 pm 32Every time I see Algore I hear myself say I mock therefore I am. Its like seeing Blessed Lightning……he said tire guage..I must MOCK HIM!
I would bet Rusty makes sure his tires are inflated well.
Max Poweron 05 Aug 2008 at 4:21 pm 33Are any of you (Rusty) aware there has been no appreciable warming for YEARS?
That carbon is a trailing indicator, not a leading indicator of global warming?
That the earth’s temperature is heavily influenced by solar activity and we may be entering a cooling period?
Matt Helmon 05 Aug 2008 at 4:34 pm 34I teach Science and Rusty seems a little rusty in that area, to me.
The Ugly Americanon 05 Aug 2008 at 4:44 pm 35I say we get the all-important Motorcycle Boy opinion on this.
Rusty Jameson 05 Aug 2008 at 4:45 pm 36Well by all means Matt enlighten me.
Rusty Jameson 05 Aug 2008 at 4:48 pm 37Well Ugly American, even the most reactionary of internet tough guys have an innate respect for the informed.
Stephanieon 05 Aug 2008 at 4:55 pm 38Sorry but Rusty you are neither tough nor are you informed. However you are an addled brain……
Carlitoson 05 Aug 2008 at 5:08 pm 39Until you guys are capable of discussing the issue without turning the debate into a personal referendum on Al Gore you simply don’t deserve to be listened to on the subject.
Rusty,
Just curious. Are you aware that according to your High Priest “the debate is over” and that he’s not interested in discussing the issue of global warming?
Algore doesn’t want to discuss the issue, but you find Dirty Harry’s “personal referendum” reprehensible??? Hello! How the hell do you expect anybody to take you seriously, ya big dope.
Rusty Jameson 05 Aug 2008 at 5:39 pm 40“Are any of you (Rusty) aware there has been no appreciable warming for YEARS?”
Uh… I don’t claim to be the most knowledgable guy in the world on climatology but I’m pretty sure that’s not the case. There’s probably several different criteria for establishing the rise of global temperature. But specifically I believe the average temperature of the oceans has been rising steadily over recent years.
I’m busy right this second but I’ll look it up when I get a chance and we can get into a more indepth discussion.
And stephanie, seriously? it’s an in joke between Ugly American and I so back off. And yes, I do love a good inflated tire. No flats for me.
Oversneeron 05 Aug 2008 at 5:44 pm 41Not to be a turd in the punchbowl, but exactly how do you know that’s Al Gore’s houseboat, DH?
Timon 05 Aug 2008 at 5:46 pm 42Jeremiah (#9)
“If only Sean Penn had that boat during Katrina…”
Yeah, I’d like to see him bail that sumbitch out with a plastic cup.
The Comish (sic)on 05 Aug 2008 at 6:14 pm 43Rusty, I appreciate you approaching the issue with an open mind. But it might make sense not to be so quick to denounce other viewpoints.
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/anomalies/anomalies.html
The temperature of the ocean has cooled 0.2 degrees C in the past few of years, and is now only 0.1 degrees C warmer than it was throughout much of 1944. This data set had been showing a general warming trend since the late 1970s, (as well as a warming trend from the 1910s through the mid 1940s) with the warmest time being recorded in the El Nino year of 1998.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm
Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to continue into the summer, depressing temperatures globally by a fraction of a degree.
This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998 when El Nino warmed the world.
http://idw-online.de/pages/de/news256486
Bremerhaven, April 21, 2008. The Antarctic deep sea gets colder, which might stimulate the circulation of the oceanic water masses. This is the first result of the Polarstern expedition of the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research in the Helmholtz Association that has just ended in Punta Arenas/Chile. At the same time satellite images from the Antarctic summer have shown the largest sea-ice extent on record.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
And here’s a 5 part series on the science (and scientific flaws) of global warming:
http://networdblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/global-warming-examined.html
Here’s a scientist who used to believe in global warming talking about the problems with it now (including that carbon doesn’t cause atmospheric warming):
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24036736-7583,00.html
I’ve probably gone a bit overboard, but it’s important to get the word out when you’re up against a PR machine like Vice President Gore, a fawning media, and the supposed “consensus of scientists.”
Steveon 05 Aug 2008 at 6:53 pm 44Is it Al’s boat? His office says it is.
http://www.wkrn.com/global/story.asp?s=8794067
Look for more details tomorrow at www.pajamasmedia.com.
Carolynon 05 Aug 2008 at 9:11 pm 45Yo, Rusty! When the day comes that you get your big boy panties as much in a twist over Wells’ screaming dire threats at Voight as you do at Harry laughing at Hollywood idiots, THEN you will be taken seriously.
Until then, we have no alternative but to assume that your moniker refers to the current state of the gears between your ears.
stillerson 05 Aug 2008 at 9:54 pm 46Instapundit has a little saying that I like. I can’t remember the exact quote but; I’ll believe (global warming) is a crisis when those who say its a crisis start acting like its a crisis.
The Ugly Americanon 05 Aug 2008 at 10:23 pm 47Stillers: That about sums it up for me.
Rusty Jameson 05 Aug 2008 at 11:28 pm 48Hey Caroline, I’m afraid my big boy panties are very much not in a twist over the Jeffrey Wells imposed neo blacklist.
In fact I do not consider a totally mean blog post from Jeff Welles, brandishing a (completely ludicrous and idle) threat at one guy (which is by definition not a list) to be an issue on par with a global and indefinite shift in climate. My priorities must be horribly askew.
Rusty Jameson 05 Aug 2008 at 11:44 pm 49Comish,
I wrote a lengthy reply to your thoughtful post which I appreciated. Unfortunately it didn’t seem to go through either time I submitted. I suspect there’s a character limit on how much we can post in comments.
My post was actually much longer than I realized and if DH doesn’t want his comment section clogged up with bloated tangents… well, fair enough.
I’ll just say that on the global warming issue I’m not a convert either way, just a guy trying to find his way around a complicated issue. I don’t agree that I’ve been quick to dismiss others opinions, just the way they go about making them.
I recommend Drew Shindell’s page at NASA as a particular good resource on the correlation between solar activity and climate.
Dirty Harry,
if you didn’t set wordpress to weed out long posts (or maybe posts with too many links or whatever) you should probably get that looked at.
Carolyn,
If I thought that post above was going to go through I possibly would’ve reworded it. In fact I probably wouldn’t even have written it.
Rusty Jameson 05 Aug 2008 at 11:45 pm 50it’s the link to NASA that it doesn’t like. go figure.
Vincent Wongon 06 Aug 2008 at 12:50 am 51Happened to me, too. Guess we need to tinyurl those long ones.
Vincent Wongon 06 Aug 2008 at 1:04 am 52Thanks, Comish, for those links.
From the National Geographic, Mars Warming article:
“His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion,” said Colin Wilson, a planetary physicist at England’s Oxford University.”
– And thus, to be rejected. And the anti-religionist scientific community still dare to trot out that Galileo myth to slam religion.
Rusty Jameson 06 Aug 2008 at 3:34 am 53I legitimately can’t tell if Vincent’s statement above is sarcastic.
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nickon 06 Aug 2008 at 10:21 am 55Where`s the sail?
Robert Parson 06 Aug 2008 at 2:20 pm 56Is there a landing strip on the Houseboat for Al Gore to land his Gulfstar G2 on?
pizzadogon 06 Aug 2008 at 4:07 pm 57So Rusty,
Seriously, you don’t think that our ridicule of Big Al is justified by his actions? Could you explain to us why his actions shouldn’t have to match his message?
Also, DH has certainly given me enough reason to believe that his opinion on global warning is founded on good sound argument.
If like you say, you have a healthy regard for debating a complicated issue, how is that holding a public figure up to scrutiny by comparing his actions to his words, not legitimate?
Stephanieon 06 Aug 2008 at 4:12 pm 58You are asking too much of him Pizza….I doubt it could be comprehended….
Rusty Jameson 06 Aug 2008 at 5:04 pm 59@ “you don’t think that our ridicule of Big Al is justified by his actions”
I guess I’m just less interested in discussing Algore’s electric bill and Hight Priest Gore’s new boat then the rest of you. If it’s seriously just about ridiculing someone (in this case the Goracle) for their hypocrisy well then no harm no foul. Personally I can’t stand Cindy Sheehan (I’ll think of some funny name for her later.) so I get it.
But some of these comments cross the line into irrational anti environmentalism and willful ignorance. Specifically comments 24, 39, 45, 46, and 47 and Harry’s original post (Although he claims he wasn’t being literal. Maybe he was being Al Gorical.) all are suggesting that “Al-i-Goretor (like aligator, amirite) is a hypocrite therefore global warming is fake” and to me that’s just despicable.
I’m going to be blunt; I have nothing but contempt for those who’ve personalized the issue and turned it into politics over science.
PS. seriously, does anyone have any idea if Vincent Wong is being sarcastic?
lipon 07 Aug 2008 at 4:54 am 60Rusty,
The global warming debate is “heating up” because the idea is finally being challenged in a scientific way. The leftists involved in this issue have an agenda WAY beyond the environment. Now that the debate is getting scientific rather than idealistic, the left is beginning to get almost militant about it, but here is why:
The dem party is composed of about 60 percent of the following types, your self (Rusty James) being one of them.
The 60 percent of the dems are good hard working patriotic Americans that truly want to help the under privileged and truly care about the condition of the enviroment. The other 30 percent of the dems are hardcore leftist anti american enemies of the state. The truly side with europe and the UN on just about every issue put forth. These enemy of the state types are representatives of the powers that be on the other side of the pond. The royalty and the aristocrats in europe, china, russia, and arabia ABSOLUTELY HATE AMERICA man! We totally screwed up their deal. They had the power structures on this planet locked up TIGHT for 1000’s of years. Then came America. (you notice how I only capitalize America? FILTHY isn’t it? heheheh) Now they all have to answer to the US basically since WWII, and they ALL resent it.
Since WWII these royals and aristocrats figured they could NEVER beat us militarily because we have way too much economic power and way too many people who love their country SO MUCH that they willfully volunteer in HUGE numbers to join our armed services. (thank GOD!)
Realizing this fact they all decided to take a different approach. Take down America from within. If you look at the leftist position on many many issues with this in mind you will clearly begin to see the agenda. Promotion of homosexuality will stop good Americans from having families. Planned parent hood and the militant support of abortion will stop large families in many circles. The liberal judges in our court system allowing long term child rapes to go almost unpunished (the vermont case where a 7 year old was abused by her uncle for a period of 6 years and the guy only got 6 months comes to mind) erodes American’s belief in the fairness of our legal system. The schools and the courts trying to stop parents from properly disciplining their children plays into this. Welfare also plays into all of this as well. The anti gun agenda is also a part of this. The EPA is used as a tool to circumvent our legislative and executive decisions by throwing up unreasonable roadblocks to our progress. The environmental agenda is being used by these leftists to do the same, stop America from using it’s natural resources to attempt to tank our economy. The global warming issue is all a part of this agenda.
If you ask me the left is doing a GREAT job at diminishing America in all the ways I stated above, and in many more ways that are behind the scenes political maneuvers, like speaker pelosi’s (no I won’t capitalize her either hehe) recent blocking of an up or down vote on offshore drilling. Wake up and smell the coffee. Our republic is in grave danger from these extreme leftist forces. WE NEED TO RESIST!
Rusty Jameson 07 Aug 2008 at 2:09 pm 61so I guess that’s one vote for ignoring science in favor of whatever private agenda. although full points for craziness, unashamed xenophobia and remembering to scapegoat teh gayz.
lipon 07 Aug 2008 at 5:34 pm 62Ok Rusty just answer me one question. Do you believe that homosexuality, not the fact that it exists, because we all know it does and always will, but the flaunting of it, in the media, in the schools, is a good thing for America and strong American families or not. Just answer that simple question. No partisan rhetoric, just a simple yes or no answer. Do you think flaunting homosexuality is a good thing for strong American families?
lipon 07 Aug 2008 at 5:38 pm 63Rusty also, do you think it is a good thing for America to surrender it’s military decision making to the UN security counsel?
lipon 07 Aug 2008 at 6:23 pm 64Rusty,
I think my comments have blown your mind. I smell plastic burning. The more I read your response to my insights, the more I see that your English (see I capitalize that…) licks and that your response was incoherent and partisan. Xenophobia is a term more aptly used to refer to someone who is afraid of EVERYTHING. Like they don’t want to leave the house. I stated quite a few specific targets for my HATRED not FEAR. I am not afraid of these people AT ALL. I just despise them and everything they stand for, just like I despise partisans like yourself that can hardly even form coherent sentences without using the latest partisan buzzwords like xenophobia and scapegoating the gays.
Also, exactly what private agenda were you referring to? That makes no sense to me at all. Ignoring science in favor of whatever private agenda. Are you referring to drilling oil, or burning gas in cars? What exactly are you referring to that I want to ignore science to support. The comment I made on global warming stated that SCIENCE is beginning to question the validity of global warming, in some circles, or whether or not man is causing it in other circles. This is not ignoring science this is furthering the science. Most scientists agree that the globe has warmed but most of them do NOT agree on why it is happening.
Have you heard of the mini ice age? It is well documented how it effected Europe. I am not sure exactly when it was but I believe it was the 1500’s. These weather patters have happened in the past, in fact the ice core research that has been done not only is decoupling the supposed relationship between Carbon Di-Oxide levels and average global temperatures, it is showing that periods of global warming have preceded EVERY ICE AGE they can find on record in the ice cores. This is PURELY scientific pursuit that I have used to make MY decisions. HAVE YOU?
You know what we did with people like you after the revolution? We told them GO UP NORTH AND NEVER COME BACK OR YOU WILL BE TRIED FOR TREASON AND SHOT IF FOUND TO BE GUILTY.
We call those people canadians now man. See i don’t capitalize THAT either. I hang on an IRC channel for some 20 years now. On 9-11 some canadian came into the chat room cause he knew we were mostly US based and started texting all kinds of stuff mocking and saying how we deserve it. That is how most canadians feel about america if you ask me. If that is true Rusty, which I admit I could be wrong about, but if it IS true wouldn’t that make me forward thinking and realistic and you a buffoon who can not see past his partisan rhetoric even for the sake of his country?
Rusty, ARE YOU A CANADIAN?
lipon 07 Aug 2008 at 9:49 pm 65ARE YOU?!?!
Rusty Jameson 07 Aug 2008 at 11:57 pm 66Well homosexuals existing and being open about themselves has never been a problem for me and I don’t really see why it should be for anyone else. I mean, I understand that it is a problem for a lot of folks, I don’t understand the mindset.
As for homosexuality being “flaunted” (your word not mine) well I understand that it’s potentially offensive to some people but for the most part I think that’s they’re own problem. I certaintly don’t believe in anyone’s “right” to never encounter anything that offends them.
I have little patience for people who claim that gay marriages are an attack on families somehow. I, and pretty much everyone I know, are all members of american families. We’ve had our problems but homosexuality has never been one of them.
In instances where gay issues are addressed in public schools (I’m for the public financing of education but also intruiged by free market alternatives) then I think more diplomacy is called for.
You asked me if I think homosexuality is a good thing for America; I would be more inclined to say it’s neutral with one exception and that’s gay couples adopting kids. Gay adoption began as an experiment and turned into a success story. I know gay parents and they’re upstanding people who’ve provided a stable home to children who wouldn’t othewise have one. Anyone who would object to that has some severly screwed up priorities. Gay adoption is good for America.
Also, citizens who wish to serve in the military should be encouraged to do so. Gays have a right to serve openly without hiding their identity and it’s honestly a little surprising and disheartening to me that conservatives, with their strong regard for military service, haven’t been more on the forefront of this issue. Specifically Duncan Hunter addressed the issue during one of the debates in a way that I thought was small minded and outright cowardly. Gays in the military is also good for America.
The instances where I may side with social conservatives are when groups sue for inclusion in private institutions like churches and the boy scouts. Supposedly some of these groups, like the boy scouts, receive federal funding. That doesn’t really change my opinion except to say that 1)they invited the lawsuits by accepting federal funding and should’ve known better. and 2)I’m against the public financing of religious institutions on principal for exactly this reason. (incidentally I’m against public financing of arts as well).
Sometimes I hear news stories about gay right advocates advancing their agenda in a particularly abrassive manner. I’m not saying it never happens but I find these stories are frequently blown out of all proportion. For instance the controversy over Bill SB777 in California which according to some of the more radical social conservatives outlawed the words “mom” and “dad” in public schools.
I’m pretty adamant in my opposition to all forms of hate crime legislation including this bill, but characterizing the law that way is ludicrous. Pure hate filled paranoia. I find that kind of fanatic propaganda for more harmful to America than any homosexual agenda.
Finally, I resent the implication that I have ever resorted to partisan rhetoric. Please cite (with links) any time I have. Last time I checked the democratic party is not for gay marriage; with almost all leading democrats being against it. so on this issue I am against both of the major political parties.
Rusty Jameson 08 Aug 2008 at 4:31 am 67@ “do you think it is a good thing for America to surrender it’s military decision making to the UN security counsel?”
WTF?!?!
I cannot believe I just took the time to write a long thoughtful response to your question above.
Xenophobia is fear of aliens, as in foreigners. You’ve confused it with “agoraphobia”.
Also , the term “scapegoat” originates from the King James Bible. Which other english words are “partisan rhetoric”?
@ “The more I read your response to my insights, the more I see that your English licks and that your response was incoherent”
OHHHHHHH N000000000000!!!!! u sayd me english not rite! And you’re obviously an authority on the subject:
“The dem party is composed of about 60 percent of the following types, your self being one of them.The 60 percent of the dems are good hard working patriotic Americans[…]”
60 percent of the time,it works every time!
Despite the fact that your comment degenerates into accusations and death threats I did appreciate your appeals to science. Since that’s exactly what I came into this thread to promote I’ll (against my better judgement) take the time to address your points.
Yes, I’m aware that ice ages are cyclical and that mini ice ages happen at a rate of every few centuries or so. I’m also aware that there is debate among climatologists about the correlation between C02 in the atmosphere and global temperature. I don’t dismiss any of that stuff. When studying global trends there are many indicators to consider and all of them do not point in the direction of man made global warming.
However I’ve been reading some of the papers available on the NASA website (one of my posts above included a link originally but wordpress wasn’t letting it through. If you google the name mentioned his nasa page will come up. Good resource.) and many of them are under the impression that the data on current climate warming is inconsistent with geological cycles or solar activity.
There also seems to near consensus over there that recent temperature rise (over the past 20 years or so) is most likely predominently the result of human activity. And that the trend will likely result in a 1 degree rise globally in ocean temperature on average over the next 5-10 years. The full impact of which is UNKNOWN.
That sounds to me like an issue worthy of serious inquiry and concern.
lipon 08 Aug 2008 at 5:39 am 68I love how a good flame can snap someone into semi-rationality. Dude, death threats? HAHAHAHA. You have to be referring to my using the treatment of turncoats after the revolution and the fact that they were told to go up to canada and face trial for treason and execution if found guilty as a flame towards you. If you consider that a death threat then you shouldn’t talk critically about others blowing stuff WAY out of proportion. That was hardly a death threat. It was a blog flame and a good one. It got a nice rise out of you. Your last post was quite rational for the most part. At least you are now conceding that there IS actually scientific debate on the opposing side of the issue and you are not in the Al Gore camp and claiming the debate is over and it is a fact that global warming is being caused by man. The evidence is certainly not clear yet.
As far as homosexuality goes, there is a reason it has been and should be shunned. It is NOT the natural order of thing. It is NOT normal. The OVERWHELMING majority of humanity is NOT GAY dude. That is just simply the fact of the matter. In fact the largest estimates I have seen is that homosexuals only make up 2-3 percent of the human population. That is the reason that it is considered abnormal deviant behavior. Because scientifically it IS deviant behavior. The term deviant means nothing else other than being apart from what MOST individuals do. Normal is simply a term that classifies the way MOST people act. Deviant / abnormal behavior most positively classifies the gay lifestyle. It just simply is not how most people live their lives. This makes gays abnormal by any definition of the word. There are most positively animal populations that exhibit gay behavior, but from what I have read, chimps and other primates shun their gay populations as well. You see sex is for the purpose of procreating. I am not a religious person at all so please don’t think this is coming from some organized religious perspective when i say sex is for procreation. It is just simply an evolutionary fact of science. Sex is the way many and most species procreate. This makes the use of sex for purposes other than procreation also abnormal seeing as most organisms engage in sex to reproduce. Nature has provided pleasure in association with sex to help further procreation and the propagation of the species so in that regard sex for an endorphin buzz is somewhat normal but the gay community refuses to see them selves as deviant and abnormal in their use of sex specifically for the endorphin buzz of getting your proverbial rocks off. In fact they are trying to reclassify the word normal to not mean what it used to mean, which again, is simply what most people do or act like. So in that regard, with those facts in mind perhaps a seemingly intelligent person could concede that teaching children that gay is ok by letting gay parents adopt them is somewhat depraved in the fact that it will lead to more and more people choosing to live in that way and thus short circuiting these kids ability to see gay for what it is, a deviant lifestyle that MOST people choose NOT to engage in.
Anyways Rusty, you have to admit that was some quality blog flaming dude. Getting a rise out of a tool like you can be somewhat difficult hehehe. I pushed you to accusing me of making death threats hehehehe. RIOT! Have a FILTHY day!
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lipon 17 Aug 2008 at 7:45 am 69Nothing more to add here huh? Bummer it looked like this was going to be a wild thread hehehe.
Christopher Tayloron 05 Jan 2009 at 6:40 pm 70Comish: thanks for the link I worked hard on that.