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The Liberal Media and Democrats Are Trying To Destroy This Woman, But…

Posted by Dirty Harry on Tuesday, September 2nd, 2008

…they will never overcome this.

Just wait till Wednesday night… Joe Lieberman and Fred Thompson will do the softening up and Sarah Palin, who’s writing her own speech, will become a star.

And I’ve been watching the news, and just like John Kerry making national security the center of his campaign, the Obamanations are already starting to regret making experience the center of their attacks on Palin.

And anyone who doesn’t think — that right now — a devastating campaign commercial is being cut using footage of Obama explaining to Anderson Cooper why his 18 months as a candidate makes him more prepared than a sitting governor to be president — wait. This one’s gonna be sweet.

They’ve stepped right in it.

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94 Responses to “The Liberal Media and Democrats Are Trying To Destroy This Woman, But…”

Kiton 02 Sep 2008 at 4:30 pm 1

As a pessimist, I am cautious about declaring victory. The polls put Obama at 50+% an d have McCain behind by 8 points.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

But, you never know. I hope this gets better for McCain.
Audietooon 02 Sep 2008 at 4:32 pm 2

She’s already getting on the job training on how to deal with a biased, hostile hypocritical and hypercritical press.

But voters are getting as sick of the machinations of this press as are many democrats and the more people they turn off the greater our win will be. So here’s praying for Sarah and may she find all the strength she needs to meet this onslaught. On the other side she will a grateful nation.
Johnny Ed's Babyon 02 Sep 2008 at 4:49 pm 3

I was heartened when I read this post over at The Plank. It is from a lifelong Alaskan. Read the whole thing here

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/09/02/the-case-against-the-case-against-palin.aspx

These are the key points:

Listening to the Democratic leadership respond to John McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate, one hears echoes of the Alaska Republican leadership from just a few years ago. Barack Obama’s spokesman, Bill Burton, put it this way: “Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency.” Former mayor? If you’re going to skip over her job as governor and, before that, her job heading the commission that oversees production of the largest petroleum reserves in America, why not “former high school student”? Bah, what does it matter: She’s just a small town mayor, just a hockey mom, just a beauty pageant queen. Palin has never shunned these belittling monikers, in part, I imagine, because the camouflage has served her so well. Soothed by the litany, her opponents tend to sleep too late, sneer too much, and forget who it is that hires them.

What the Republicans missed about Sarah Palin then–and what the Democrats seem poised to miss now–is that she is a true political savant; a candidate with a knack for identifying the key gripes of the populace and packaging herself as the solution. That keen political nose has enabled her to routinely outperform her resume.

But in probing this candidate, it would behoove the Democrats and the pundits to shed the notion that they are dealing with some dimwitted bumpkin (Dan Quayle seems to come up a lot lately) who’s going to start crying when they ask her to name the president of Azerbaijan; or that Palin is the townie who was brought into the Skull & Bones initiation night for the amusement of all; or that somehow the prom queen ballots got mixed up with the Alaska gubernatorial poll. Trivialize her at your own peril.
Zundfolgeon 02 Sep 2008 at 4:51 pm 4

Kit, Democrats almost always start out higher than Republicans in the polls, but as the election gets closer the polls tighten and then the silent majority vote for the Republican candidate. This is usually twice as powerful when the Democrat candidate is a far leftist and even more so when they are a non-white (go google “The Bradley Effect”).

When Democrats do win, they are usually 15-20 points ahead in the polls by this point (and even then only win by a handful of points).

But you are probably right to be cautious with your optimism … if these things were actually predictable there would be no point in having elections.
Mr24pon 02 Sep 2008 at 4:55 pm 5

Not to jump ahead but I plan on welcoming saying in 8 years President Palin.
Zundfolgeon 02 Sep 2008 at 4:57 pm 6

8 years?

I don’t expect McCain to run for reelection.
Dirty Harryon 02 Sep 2008 at 4:59 pm 7

Palin - Jindal 2012! Can you imagine? the libs would explode, literally explode. Keith Olbermann would be everywhere with only a toupee and Clark kent glasses at his MSNBC desk.
Zundfolgeon 02 Sep 2008 at 5:00 pm 8

dagnabbit … hit submit before I was done.

one of the things my wife has said for years is that she really hopes that America’s first woman president is our own “Margaret Thatcher” … Mrs. Palin is much closer than Ms. Clinton.
Keetson 02 Sep 2008 at 5:21 pm 9

Just watching this RNC convention…. they’re reciting the pledge of allegiance…. what is this jingoism?????
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 5:21 pm 10

We have a hard row to hoe here peeps. My advice is use whatever you can for the locker room bullitin board. Anything written by Jack Cafferty Villiage Idiot from CNN is apropos.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/cafferty.republicans/index.html?iref=newssearch

This man I think styles himself as the next coming of Edward R. Murrow. Here he is Jack Cafferty, slouching in his chair, glassy eyed from whatever he may be sipping in between his face time with Wolf Blitzer. He is so obviously out of touch with who he is, what he is and what he is saying it is unfathomable taht he gets any air time. But there he is, slouching like a drunk at a bar with that dour dark look on his pasty face doing his best to be condecending and superior.

In fact DH we should have a thread every day dedicated to the Locker Room Bulletin Board. We can post links to articals to help fire people up. This guy Cafferty needs a rude awakening. A moment of clarity..he needs to get his head out of Obamas ass.
JohnLockeon 02 Sep 2008 at 5:22 pm 11

To add to Zundfolge’s point in comment 4, remember, this is just after the DNC, which always prompts a spike for the Democratic candidate. The fact that he’s only 8 points up after the DNC and the Labor Day confusion is all said and done is actually bad news for Obama.

We have to be patient here. Just like Obama, Palin has to introduce and endear herself to the people. And contrary to what some naysayers claim, she has ample time to do that. The RNC will be very important, and so will the debates. I expect that once she has gone head-to-head with Biden, this country will get a clear picture of why she has an 80% approval rating in Alaska.
wanketteon 02 Sep 2008 at 5:23 pm 12

Damn, once again I post a question right before Harry opens ten more threads!
So, I’ll bump this, even though, OT:
Tonight on network news:
1. Bristol Palin
2. NOLA evacuees who are pissed at not being able to go home now, and not being made that comfortable in their temporary digs. Many hinted that this meant they wouldn’t evacuate “next time”. Some interviewees directed their ire at Bobby Jindal (a simple “thank you for saving my life” would’ve sufficed).
Now, I’m bursting with opinion on this, but I’m holding back. Anyone out there wanna school me on why they’re completely justified? I’m listening.
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 5:26 pm 13

You are probably dealing with the same people who were looting during Katrina.
whiskeyon 02 Sep 2008 at 5:39 pm 14

I think McCain wins in a squeaker, by the male vote plus married women.

Palin, is just a disaster for single women. She married her blue collar high school sweetheart! Come on! Women (as a general rule) hate that.

It’s Palin’s personal life that has caused the swing in the polls, the blue collar persona, the disdain for status, prestige, and fashionable trinkets, the many kids, including one in Iraq (instead of doing something cool like working at an Investment Bank or what have you). To top it off with a 17 year old daughter, pregnant?

How … middle/working class.

But McCain was only going to get part of married women with kids anyway. Single women would never vote for him. Palin’s just icing on the cake as far as that is concerned.

[Should anyone doubt me, just surf around on non-partisan entertainment blogs — women just HATE Palin for her personal life, men are in love with her like she’s the Tomb Raider girl come to life.]
Kiton 02 Sep 2008 at 6:00 pm 15

whiskey,

key word is “entertainment blogs.”

I have more faith in the female gender than you.

My next door neighbor (a single mom), and her daughter (a freshman college student) are both ecstatic over the choice of Palin.
Mr24pon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:00 pm 16

Holy crap!!! Bill O’Reilly just announced he’s going to be interviewing Obama on Thursday.
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:02 pm 17

Um Whiskey your generalizing. When I was single, Sara Palin would have been a heroine for me. A roll model. Lighten up there dude. Not every woman follows the leader. Look at Sara. She is her own leader!
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:04 pm 18

Hmmmm reminder skip O’Reilly and do something else till Mac comes and speaks……cool…..awesome…….
a. acaciaon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:05 pm 19

Whiskey, here’s a snip from the CBS poll you keep harping on:

Interestingly, Palin’s selection may have the greatest effect on men. Seventeen percent of men say they are more likely to vote for McCain as a result, while just 10 percent of women say the same.

[emphasis mine]

I’m not sure how you can massage these numbers and wildly extrapolate your pet theories, based on a difference of only…seven % points. Seven. If the gap had been, say, twenty points, then maybe your theories might stick. Right now it just seems that you’re grinding an ax into a dead horse, so to speak.

I *do* think that Palin unnerves the many hardline Hillary supporters and rattles them into action. In fact Palin is a wake up call - a call to put aside the bitterness over Obama defeating Her Highness. I’m guessing that over the next two months they’ll return to the fold when it dawns on them that a vote for McCain/Palin is “a vote for the GOP to control your uterus.” Gender solidarity be damned. Palin is a threat to them and their cause - protecting their reproductive rights. When Nov roles around they’ll be in party lockstep and will show up for Obama, pretty sure of it.
a. acaciaon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:09 pm 20

Ugh.

The CBS quote ends in the break. Everything under [emphasis mine] is, well, mine.
Johnny Ed's Babyon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:17 pm 21

whiskey:

Women usually go to democrats. But the marriage status of women is the key to how they vote.

In 2004 unmarried women voted for Kerry by a 25-point margin (62 to 37 percent), while married women voted for President Bush by an 11-point margin (55 percent to 44 percent).
Per Greenberg Quinlan January 2005

That breakdown has held true since at least 1980.

I will bet that married women vote McCain this year whether the VP is a man or a woman.
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:19 pm 22

No they won’t Acacia. Hillary wants to run for President. Think about this: How does she challenge a sitting President from her own party? Think about it. Those women know that. If Mac wins and Palin is his VEEP. It makes Hillary that much more of a viable candidate. And she has the well you should have chosen me. If she were the Dem Nominee none of us would be happy. She would be up by a lot. Obie is hardly treading water.
David123456on 02 Sep 2008 at 6:24 pm 23

As a pessimist, I am cautious about declaring victory. The polls put Obama at 50+% an d have McCain behind by 8 points.

These numbers mean virtually nothing until the GOP is done with their convention and get a bump of their own. Dems have always been ahead at this point in the game. They should be afraid, very afraid.
amzarakon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:24 pm 24

The Dems have released Palin’s soc. sec # and her addresses. These people are despicable.

http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/sep/02/breaking-democrats-release-sarah-palins-soc/
Kiton 02 Sep 2008 at 6:25 pm 25

I want to see how O’Reilly takes on Obama and how Obama handles himself.
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:28 pm 26

Jesus Christ Amzarak I cannot believe they would do that. Oh boy will the Secret Service go after them for that.
Maxtypeon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:29 pm 27

Fucking Democrats.
Glennon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:29 pm 28

I agree with Acacia. It’s way, way too early to break out the champaigne. I am nervous about what the polls will say one week from now. If it’s still Obama up by 4 to 8 points, I fear disaster.

Yes, yes, some say that the polls are meaningless. But remember, this election will be determined by the 12-percent of the voters who have not decided. The winner must take the majority of these people in the swing states in order to win - and right now, all of the swing states are going for Obama except for a couple that are even. McCain can win the popular vote but still lose the election if too many blue-collar types in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia and Florida vote for Obama because “The country is headed in the wrong direction, and I think it’s time to give the other party a shot.”

I know several blue-collar and white-collar folks in swing states, all former Bush supporters, who all tell me they are voting for Obama in November because McCain is “too much like Bush.” So how is he like Bush? “I don’t want to talk politics, I admit I don’t know much about politics, but I don’t like McCain because he’s too much like Bush.”

Such people will decide the election.
Kiton 02 Sep 2008 at 6:34 pm 29

I am pessimistic, but we must do our part.
amzarakon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:40 pm 30

Stephanie, I just don’t understand the mindset of people who would do stuff like this, or those that would drop sandbags from overpasses on to busses, or attack a bus full of Cub Scouts.

I also don’t understand how a political party in this country will stoop so low to do anything to win elections, but don’t want to do anything to defend the country or support our troops.

The Democrat Party has become the party of the lunatic fringe, and how anyone who is paying attention could support some of their candidates is beyond me.
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:40 pm 31

OK Glenn you know more than all of us even those of us who still have ties to the GOP establishment. Maybe we should all just kill ourselves now. I mean why even try?
No one is breaking out the friggen bubbly. However, if Obama was the guy with the lead like he should be I could see your point, however, he isnt. I am going by what I see and some of the breakdowns of the polls and stuff I heard under the radar from DC itself.
Your friends need you to talk to them. Explain some things. They don’t know about politics, cool, educate em. Thats what your there for. Your mission all of our missions is to bring the light of truth to all of those like them.
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:49 pm 32

Amzarak I don’t understand them either but if I were her campaign team I’d contact a lawyer or the FBI to investigate.
a. acaciaon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:50 pm 33

I’m not quite as worried, Glenn. While there are plenty of partizan drones there are even more women voters among Independents, older women, marrieds w/ children, and wives of NASCAR Dads, who will turn out for McCain. Palin now gives them a reason to vote FOR McCain instead of AGAINST Obama. The hardcore secular women will turn out to vote AGAINST McCain, but I don’t think they’re as significant as ya’ll think. Remember the Silent Majority. I believe that block is intrinsically right of center and cringe at what the Obamas represent.

And don’t forget the McCain camp has a lotta ammo cached away, ready and waiting. I’m talking about the Wright and Ayers connections. We have NOT even scrapped the surface yet. The Obamas, especially Michelle, have that air of “victimhood” that follows them wherever they go. Obama won’t even place his hand over his heart during the Pledge. These people are not, nor have they ever been, proud of America which explains why they landed at Trinity Church and leaning on Wright’s every word. For twenty years! McCain would be a fool not to dig into this treasure trove. These are attack ads that seal the deal.
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:54 pm 34

Sitting in campaign management classes and get out the vote classes and watching an actual campaign that is successful is amazing because you do things by degrees. You do things by littles. THey all add up. And remember negative ads are the best ads. People hate them but they work.
a. acaciaon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:54 pm 35

Speaking of attack ads…

There’s no Open Thread so, I guess I’ll post this here.

I tweeked my McCain attack ad a little bit. It follows the general format - short, pithy…biting. I believe it has potential:

****

(Open with image of Obama in prayerful thought)

VO: Is Barack Obama a man of faith?…

VO: He spent 20 years at Trinity United Church of Christ. His pastor was Jeremiah Wright…

VO: Exactly what did Jeremiah Wright preach?…

(cut to footage of Rev. Wright at podium)

Wright: “GOD DAMN America for treating our citizens as less than human! GOD DAMN America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme!”

(cut to photo of a SMILING Obama posing w/ his pastor - Rev. Wright)

VO: Twenty Years of Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Twenty years of hateful, anti-American sermons. What was Obama thinking?

(Closeup of Obama)

BO: “This is somebody who I knew for 20 years. He was my pastor.”

(We see Wright on stage and the all-black congregation going wild)

BO (VO): “He has been like family to me…I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community.”

(closeup on Wright): “The chickens come home to roost! God Damn America! God Daaaaaaaaaamn America!”

(cut to Obama in prayerful pose)

VO: Barack Obama is a man of “faith”…faith in Jeremiah Wright. But should we have faith in him???

****

Yeah, it’s hardcore, but I’m convinced that Wright is a terrible blight on the Obamas. Politics is WAR. This is not for the faint of heart.

Comments?
amzarakon 02 Sep 2008 at 6:58 pm 36

Glenn Reynolds has a joke up over at instapundit. It asks the question:

How could the campaign have kept the Palin pregnancy out of the media?

Answer: By leaking it that John Edwards was the father.

I thought that was hilarious!
whiskeyon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:02 pm 37

National Enquirer is going to run all sorts of “dirt” on Palin, whatever they can dig up — the Party there (Republicans) hate her because she upset the cozy corrupt schemes.

US Weekly and People will have all sorts of “scandals” with Palin on the front pages. The media is going nuts, digging out every bit of “white trash” behavior that indicates that Palin’s family and herself are not Upper Class guys (like Sex Addict in Rehab David Duchovny).

Unmarried women in particular eat this up, but the big issue is that McCain’s criticisms of the RockStar in Chief go unheard as everyone wants to laugh at Palin for being “white trash.”

Heck Barney Frank said the Palin’s kids are fair game. As has Maureen Dowd. Along with Campbell Brown. This is all it’s going to be — “Britney White Trash” type of behavior depicted in the media with “Upper Class” Obama as the “savior.”

Why do you think the polls moved 8 points? Palin.

Men by and large respect people who move themselves up from humble roots: Jackson, Truman, Lincoln, etc. Women are pitiless in that regard, sadly. Anything “lower class” they punish without mercy.

Sadly, Sarah Palin, because she had no long, national track record and presence in mind in the public, was easily defined as “White Trash Britney” by the Media, just as they have for all intents and purposes elected Barack Hussein Obama as RockStar President. God Help us.

The only way that turns around is McCain run the nastiest hard-hittingest ads showing Obama in Trinity, with Wright ranting in kill-Whitey hate-America mode, ads showing Obama in a Pakistani (presumably terrorist) Madrassa, his father’s picture in full Muslim getup, with his rants against America, ads directly tying him to Farrakhan, and more. Including, specifically, his mother’s polygamous marriage to his father at 17.

No more celebrity ads. Down and dirty right back at them is the only way. This is already in the mudpit, no going back, accept reality and mud pit right back at them.
Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateuron 02 Sep 2008 at 7:03 pm 38

I am busting out the champagne…again. I did it on Friday. They got nuttin’, and they know it. At the same time, her selection neatly boxed them in. They know that too. Why do you think they spent the entire weekend engaging in vile and base slander and innuendo against her? Because they know she is energzing the base, which could not get excited about McCain, and because there isn’t an effective attack for them to mount.

The election ended Friday. Obama lost.
wfon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:04 pm 39

I fear this mental image will stay with me for a long time:

“One of the few other places we see this sort of behavior in nature is when, threatened, a tribe of primates joins together in a hooting display that quickly escalates into the flinging of feces in all directions.”

Read the whole thing:

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/bad_americans/yearning_for_th_1.php
Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateuron 02 Sep 2008 at 7:04 pm 40

whisky, is the weather nice on your planet?
wfon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:06 pm 41

Blackiswhite, don´t say that. You´re jinxin it.
Mr24pon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:07 pm 42

Who is doing the voice over for the Reagan video at the RNC? It sounds like Robert Davi.
amzarakon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:08 pm 43

The Powerline guys are saying that Fred Thompson is going to blow the roof off the sucker tonight. Don’t miss it! He comes on in a few minutes.
amzarakon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:10 pm 44

Whiskey, you have been reading too much Roissy.
Mr24pon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:11 pm 45

I’m watching Thompson now.
Mr24pon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:12 pm 46

Might I add I’m watching it on the Fox News HD channel. It’s about time it was added to my service.
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:12 pm 47

Thats a good one Acacia.

Came up with my own concerning the energy issue

Camera pans across a gas station, scene switches to a guy balancing his check book while a couple of cherbic faced kids eat cheerios.
In todays economy your money doesn’t stretch as far as it once did. You have less cash for groceries, clothes for school and your other bills, and high gas prices are consuming your check book.
And Barack Obama wants you to get your tires inflated.
We cannot afford Barack Obama.

McCain Palin 2008 this is John McCain and I approve of this message.
a. acaciaon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:20 pm 48

Honestly Steph, I think that would’ve been a good ad to run…maybe last month.

One thing that Whiskey and I agree on: it’s time to take off the gloves and strap on the steel-toe boots.

Early voting begins, when?…three weeks before Nov. 4th? McCain better get busy slinging mud. Ayers and Wright. Like Mickey said to Rocky: Don’t let the bastids breath!
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:23 pm 49

Got it on FOXHD on the new plasma…god I love this tv.
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:25 pm 50

Well I’d still run it. The issue is still tehre so might as well remind people of the inflating tires and getting your car tuned up gaff. In fact use his words against him. But I think Mac has some FANTASTIC people running his campaign. There is a lot more coming……..watch……
Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateuron 02 Sep 2008 at 7:27 pm 51

The only way that turns around is McCain run the nastiest hard-hittingest ads showing Obama in Trinity, with Wright ranting in kill-Whitey hate-America mode, ads showing Obama in a Pakistani (presumably terrorist) Madrassa, his father’s picture in full Muslim getup, with his rants against America, ads directly tying him to Farrakhan, and more. Including, specifically, his mother’s polygamous marriage to his father at 17.

You forgot making sure that everyone in America knows he is freinds with a shady money guy and two unrepentant terrorists who are currently enjoying la vie celebre’ academique.
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:30 pm 52

Mac will let surrogates do taht stuff. His way will be different. He will I would bet take Obama on for Ayers. Bet a billion. SOmeone here said John McCain is the man Barack Obama wishes he was.
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:33 pm 53

Thompson is AWESOME! AWESOME! So very awesome.
Johnny Ed's Babyon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:34 pm 54

The Democrats think the economy is the winning issue this year. But with Palin on the ticket, drilling is going to be the issue and who better to talk to people about that but Sarah? If McCain is smart he’ll listen to her and push for opening ANWR.
Mr24pon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:35 pm 55

Wow!!! What a great speech by Thompson!!!
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:38 pm 56

I think energy isn’t merely an economic issue, it is the National Security Issue of our time. We must have access to our resources and by GOD we will one way or another. We have to!
Ginaon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:41 pm 57

That’s my Fred!! YEAH!!!!
Mr24pon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:44 pm 58

Hahahahaha

Did you guys see the guy in the crowd dressed as Abraham Lincoln?
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:45 pm 59

I keep seeing Newt Gingrich…he’s everywhere!
Johnny Ed's Babyon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:47 pm 60

Rich Lowry over at NRO.com joked that the video for Sarah should be a combination of Mr Smith Goes To Washington and Deadliest Catch.

I would also mix in some True Grit. Palin can ride a horse with the reins in her teeth firing two rifles at once.

Obama = Little Lord Fauntelroy.

Sarah Palin = Annie Oakley
Mr24pon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:47 pm 61

I see Newt there too. I’m happy he’s there. His interviews are great. His insight into this stuff is really amazing.
Mr24pon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:48 pm 62

“God only made one John McCain and he is his own man.”

Great line by Lieberman.
Mr24pon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:52 pm 63

People are going nuts even at the mention of Palin’s name. I love it!
Mr24pon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:54 pm 64

Anyone noticing some odd cutaways? Seems like most of the time they cut away it’s to the one person not reacting.
Stephanieon 02 Sep 2008 at 7:57 pm 65

Seeing Joe Lieberman up there has to just irk the living shit out of Obama and his misery merchants.
I think the moment Joe was disenchanted with his party was when he got mixed up with Algore. You could see him edging his way out of the blast area at the end of the recount. Won’t ever forget it. I was drinking a good German Beer and smoking an expensive cigar.
Ohio Wolverine momon 02 Sep 2008 at 8:12 pm 66

Amen, Stephanie;
in 2004, my uncle in law was saying that he was not happy about how Bush was handling something (can’t remember what),and so he was going to vote for Kerry.
I asked him, with all due respect, Uncle Ken, do you always agree with what Aunt Judy (his wife of nearly 50 years) does? He chuckled and said, of course not…and I pointed out that if even our spouse can’t please us all of the time,how can we expect that of our president, who has millions of others to answer to? He laughed and voted for Bush.
We mut all make an effort—when faced with ignorance, we must politely challenge others to think…I am new to the Buckeye State, but will still gather my courage and pound the pavement for McCain—-Palin makes it easier.
Johnny Ed's Babyon 02 Sep 2008 at 8:13 pm 67

Stephanie

Lieberman said he supported McCain because he was asked and the Democrats never did. You just know the Dems want to quit seeing him on tv with the GOP.

Speaking of asking, the best part of Palin’s speech on Friday in Ohio was she asked people for their votes. How many times do you hear a speech where the politician doesn’t specifically ask for their audience’s votes?
MovieBobon 02 Sep 2008 at 8:52 pm 68

whiskey
“No more celebrity ads. Down and dirty right back at them is the only way. This is already in the mudpit, no going back, accept reality and mud pit right back at them.”

Yeah, that’s what he should do: Stop doing the campaign that’s been WORKING and instead use the stuff that FAILED to stop Obama in the primaries…

Aside from picking on the kid (though, please, SPARE ME the lie that the Right would ignore this kind of scandal if it broke on the Obama side) I don’t see anything inherently innapropriate about going for the “white trash” angle against Palin - it’s the logical course: The best weapon against a political opponent is to highlight the negative flip-side to their biggest positive.

Obama’s selling-point is his freshness, the logical negative is his lack of experience: “Crazy kid.” McCain’s selling-point is experience, the logical negative is that he’s been in Washington too long: “Stodgy old man.” Palin’s initial selling point was the whole “Annie Oakley as a Fundie with a pile of kids” bit. Logical-negative of that? “Ignorant redneck.” Harping on it will probably backfire, though… after all, this is America - “Ignorant redneck” SELLS
Glennon 02 Sep 2008 at 8:55 pm 69

I am so sorry to be the killjoy here. But we must face the facts.

The latest Gallup came out a few minutes ago. Obama has crossed the 50-percent mark, the first time he has done so. Note that this EXCLUDES undecideds. McCain stands at 42 percent - a gap that doesn’t seem to want to go away and is slowly getting larger, from a minimum just before the DNC convention.

Did I mention that this poll was taken three days AFTER the Palin announcement?

I hope I am all wet and McCain gets a HUGE bounce from the RNC convention and Palin’s speech tomorrow knocks it out the of the park and the country goes gaga for her. But I am realistic here. The average NON-political person has been so snowed by the mass media that they think they are living in the Great Depression. Millions of people believe that the fact they owe $18,000 on their house than it’s fair market price has nothing to do with the three re-fies they did since 2005 - it’s the direct result of George Bush’s incompetence.

And these people do not care a whit about Reverend Wright or Bill Akers - they really, really don’t. They’ve been indictrinated by the media, they are angry, and they want to strike back at George Bush any way they can - and if that means voting for the other party, they will do so.
Salon 02 Sep 2008 at 8:55 pm 70

Gore’s capitulation was one of the best b-day presents I ever got.
Super impressed with Lieberman’s speech in 2004. He did a nice job tonight, but Fred! That was great!
Laura Bush- what a lady.
Just recently got cable, primarily for TCM, but it’s interesting sampling the news shows. My husband makes me turn it off if I yell at them, though.
Alan Colmes is kind of an ass, huh?
Tommy Von 02 Sep 2008 at 9:00 pm 71

Glenn:

Nuts!
whiskeyon 02 Sep 2008 at 9:06 pm 72

The Media is in a frenzy. They are alleging: 1. The oldest Palin boy deploying to Iraq is a drug addict; 2. Demanding a DNA test to determine paternity and maternity of Trig Palin; 3. Disclosing Palin’s Social Security Numbers, phone numbers, addresses; and 4. “New” scandals coming about Palin.

This is about power. Who has it (the media) and who wants to keep it to elect their candidate.

Fred’s speech was great, guess what, no one saw it because it wasn’t shown on the nets.

The only way to win is to tie as noted Obama to the Rezkos, Ayers, Dohrns, and so on. Also money and support from Hamas and Hezbollah.

The media won’t back down, particularly since they drive the story to be totally Palin all the time, in her “White Trash Ways.” Making her and McCain a subject of derision like Britney and KFed. Don’t think this is not all about power.

Roissy? Sadly he is right. There are no social constraints, none, so the constant, status-striving is the dominant force in our culture.
Glennon 02 Sep 2008 at 9:36 pm 73

What, no dirt yet on Willow (12) and little Piper (5)?
a. acaciaon 02 Sep 2008 at 9:51 pm 74

And these people do not care a whit about Reverend Wright or Bill Akers [sic] - they really, really don’t.

That’s Bill AYERS. Since you can’t spell his name, it begs the question: do you even know who he is??? He’s a home-grown terrorist who bombed (yes, actually BOMBED) the NYPD, the Capitol building, and the Pentagon in the 70s. This domestic terrorist held fund-raising events for Obama in the 90s. Most folks don’t know about this. I think it’s significant. Because it speaks to a troubling pattern. Wright, Ayers, his overseas connections with shaddy dictators - Obama’s circle is a Who’s Who of America-bashers. Ayers is Item #1.

I think a large majority of Americans recoil from the likes of Louis Farrakhan, Black Panthers, the Unabomber, and other home-grown crazies. And yet here’s Obama hob-nobbing with some of the worst. If you think people won’t “give a whit” about this troubling past, then you obviously have a very low opinion of the average American’s intelligence, not to mention their patriotism. Your lowballing expectations are another matter entirely.

And what’s with the doomsday hysterics. I suggest you take a deep breath and chill out. Seriously. Polls don’t mean squat at this point (historically black candidates poll much better than they perform - it’s called the Bradley Effect). There’s still enough tiime to chisle away at Obama’s myth. Plenty of time in fact.
Glennon 02 Sep 2008 at 10:07 pm 75

Akers or Ayers or whatever - I know exactly who he is - but I am a “political junkie” who reads and reads and reads and blogs until late at night. We care about such things. Guess what? Millions of voters do not care one iota. And they do not want to take the time to learn, because they are “too busy.”

When we say, “Obama is friends with America haters!” that makes sense to US and it frightens us. But do you know what? To my brother, and my best friend, and my mother, and my favorite cousin Laura, and most of my coworkers, it means absolutely nothing. It sounds like wild exageration and hyperbole - to their ears, it sounds exactly like “Bush is Hitler!”

Do you see all those people at the RNC convention and all those good folks getting excited about Palin? Here is the sad news. About 97-percent of those people were ALREADY going to vote for McCain. They are part of the 42-percent (give or take) that McCain gets in the polls.

We have to face the fact that Obama consistently polls higher, the gap is widening even several days after the Palin announcement, and Obama has a healthy lead in almost every swing state.

I am not saying that McCain can’t win. I hope for the sake of my country that he does win. But the fact that is escaping nearly everyone here is that this election will be won or lost based on the NON-political non-partisans, who are “too busy” to be interested in politics. You will never, ever win those people over by telling them about Ayers or Wright - I know, I’ve tried. They simply do not care.
Jack Marinoon 02 Sep 2008 at 10:10 pm 76

The mad dog liberals can’t destroy Sarah or McCain, just like the never destroyed President Bush. They can’t destroy people who have convictions. McCain will do 8 years, NO one runs for four years and leaves. McCain will make major changes because Palin will get him to govern as Reagan would and then some.

The Dems will lose control of the house and senate, by how much will depend how Pailn hits the road out there and gets the voters to come out and drive out the mad dogs out of power.

McCain will pack the Supreme Court with constructionist, he said so and Palin will make so. This is the DEATH of FDR’s cancer he injected into the body of this great Republic and not some sort of socialist serfdom. We have lived to see the fall of Stalins empire, we will live to see the end of Islam, as it hs been since the 9th century, and we will see the end of the hippie losers from the woodstock generation. These losers have NOTHING TO OFFER, they never did and never will. We reject their misery and their self-loathing ideology. The Reagan revolution is about to begin and John McCain and one of the many of Reagan’s babies will lead this country into a new age of feeling great about America, God and ourselves.

Who here is tired of being told we suck, we are selfish, we are not worthy to reap the benefit of our hard work. Who is tired of going to films and seeing liberals piss on our families and heritage. Who are these demonic mad dogs that attack a down syndrome baby and a 17 year old girl who is pregnant because her mother is pro life.

Most of you here are in your 30s to 40s, aren’t you tired of being told you are a nazi, you are the evil rich, that you stole your wealth or inherited it and you don’t deserved to inherit it when our parents pass away and leave us the hard earn equity that took them from the 1940s to hand over to you. How will you all feel when the IRS takes 37% and where they when your parents were fixing the home you grew up in?

Aren’t you pissed off yet for always being called ‘you’re a right winger’ and that puts you on the defensive. How many years are we as Americans and I mean real Americans, these mad dogs are not Americans and if you don’t believe me, read the Federalist Papers and tell me if one plank of the Democratic party is in the Federalist papers.

Tell me if FDR’s commie experiment is in the federalist papers? Or anything that comes out of the mouth of Obama as he mimics his two mentors that Black KKK preacher and Bill Ayers the anarchist.

You can’t be nice, polite or think you can negotiate with these mad dog devils. We are in a war for the soul of our nation, our kids and our grandkids, grandkids. We owe them to fight against these mad dogs who go around calling themselves Democrats and Americans. You will find more from illegals then life long leftist democrats.

Do you all realize that s baby chicken has more rights to life then an unborn human being? The liberals have the nerve to call the Nazi’s evil?
American liberals have murdered more humans beings than the Nazis did in the death camps. We are almost approaching the number of Russians that died in the Gulags in Siberia.

We need to get out there and vote Republican across the board. We need to wipe out this evil pestilence called liberalism. If the Founding Fathers came back, they would be bullshit at us, they would demand we clean out this evil with blood. They would start another revolution to overthrow the tyranny of this socialistic liberalism masquerading as Americanism.

Polls are all fixed, forget the polls for Obama. The day of the election in 2004 the polls had Kerry killing Bush, the exit polls proclaimed Kerry the winner by noon EST on Nov 4, 04. Who cares about the polls, the polls are like watching porn for the media, they love to masturbate to the polls. The reality is McCain will bury Obama. The nation isn’t buying what Obama is selling. We the people will decide, not a bunch of spin pundits who are breaking every election law on the books.

When Palin speaks tomorrow night, she will electrify the country, why because she is telling us WE CAN DO ANYTHING, look what she can do? Obams is screaming that China has a better infrastructure then the USA. Most of it is now rubble from the earthquake, but everyone is better then those greedy rich white American home owners.

You guys tired of this shit?? I know I am…

I say we piss on their mother’s faces and see what they do!
a. acaciaon 02 Sep 2008 at 10:28 pm 77

You will never, ever win those people over by telling them about Ayers or Wright - I know, I’ve tried. They simply do not care.

But if I’m not mistaken, you live within a ten mile radius of Culver City. In other words, these people are in the liberal tank.

You need to get out of your immediate bubble and talk to some folks in, say, Bakersfield. California is not just The Valley or Berkeley you know.

And I’m sorry that your mother, cousin, et al are such blank slates that they can be so easily filled with (and fooled by) media spin.

I live in the Southwest and here the folks aren’t as snowed over as your folks. At least the ones I’ve spoken to. I’d say there’s a good sampling of people who take all the liberal MSM with a grain of salt and those who take it as Gospel. Even steven. It’s not so overwhelmingly depressing as you make it to be.

Btw, if done correctly, the case against Obama will work. It has to be crafted in digestible bites. Attack ads hitting on the Wright/Ayers connection will sink in and open everyone’s eyes. The same way they fisked the “celebrity” angle. People do care about God and Country and they won’t stand for someone who hob-nobs with nutcases moving into the Oval Office. Why do you think the New Yorker cartoon cover sent the Obama’s into a tizzy? They realize it touched on an essential truth - that they’re basically militant victim-mongers, living in America, but definitely not of America.
Glennon 02 Sep 2008 at 10:51 pm 78

Well said, Jack. I hope to God you are right.
Kiton 02 Sep 2008 at 10:56 pm 79

GOP:

Put Clips of Thompson’s speech in your John McCain ads.

Oh, and it appears CNN showed enough of Thompson’s speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3uE_8C1CDU
Glennon 02 Sep 2008 at 11:52 pm 80

CNN and FoxNews covered all the speeches but the nets (ABC, NBC, CBS) as i understand did not. I think the Dems are kinda pissed today because the RNC connvention is going on and Gustav is a fading memory. They were hoping for another disaster, you know, so the evil Rethugicans wouldn’t be able to have their convention at all.
MovieBobon 02 Sep 2008 at 11:52 pm 81

Jack Marino
“The mad dog liberals can’t destroy Sarah or McCain, just like the never destroyed President Bush.”

Jack, President Bush was more or less publically discouraged from attending his own party’s convention because it’s an open-secret that he’s a liability for McCain. If the “mad dog liberals” didn’t destroy him… WHO DID? Because his credibility is bleeding like a stray deer wandering onto the Palin property…
wfon 03 Sep 2008 at 1:06 am 82

Movie Bob,
“though, please, SPARE ME the lie that the Right would ignore this kind of scandal if it broke on the Obama side.”

I´ll say the following

1. It is objectively not a scandal. I won´t concede that. Just as Obama´s own birth was not a scandal, as he pointed out to his credit. I would make the same point if it were Joe Bidens´daughter. The criteria that make (for example) the John Edwards thing or Biden´s lobbyist sons a scandal do not apply here.

2. Yes, many conservative media from NRO or The Weekly Standard to the more respected columnists and bloggers would definitely behave much, much better - just show me their equivalent on the left. Yes, some more partisan and rabid bloggers and radio hosts might behave as badly and you can find evidence for that in the past. But don´t forget that Kos is what passes for mainstream on the other side. Gotta compare apples with apples.

3. There is a difference in both quality and volume. With the transgressions from the right, people like to quote specific examples going back to the 1990s and being kept alive by liberal media. YOu know, nasty stuff that was said about Chelsea. What we are seeing now is a smear campaign like I have not seen. The low blows just keep coming. I bet you cannot even remember the attacks from last week, like Howard Dean comparing Republicans to Milosevic…it´s too much to keep track. It is not the exception, it´s their modus operandi. It´s not ours.

4. The MSM would never play along with a comparable Republican attack but they clearly play along here. With gusto. The congressmen who high-fived over Hurrican Gustav? Already forgotten.

Allow me a question, since you clearly are non-partisan and above-it-all: do you ever go to left-wing sites and challenge them in a similar way? I want to be there when it happens.
wfon 03 Sep 2008 at 1:37 am 83

MovieBob, q. e. d.

http://dirtyharrysplace.com/?p=4119
Stephanieon 03 Sep 2008 at 6:28 am 84

Glenn I don’t know what to say. If you coached a football team it would be the Detriot Lions. You have never worked in politics, you have never talked to actual polsters or the guys who run campaigns. I have. McCain wins the south thats a given. He is polling higher right now in Ohio and Indiana. Colorado etc. So please let it go. And as far as whoever your talking to you live in freaking LA…sorry but get the few people we care about out of there and then Nuke it from space….its the only way we could be sure. Its a cesspool. How do you know those people even voted? HOW? COme on man.
Stephanieon 03 Sep 2008 at 6:30 am 85

What scandle BOB? WHAT? And as far Ayers and Wright yeah tahts a scandle. HUGE SCANDLE! You know it. A private family event is not a scandle. Only idiots and evil doers would make it so. No one on the right cares and the one person who has said something was shouted down. Now please…..
Stephanieon 03 Sep 2008 at 6:32 am 86

What Glenn doesn’t know is this:
McCain has raised 47 million dollars in the last month. The Friday night Sara was named as his running mate the McCain campaign and the RNC did more than twice their usual business..and it went on through the weekend. The campaign had more volunteers coming through teh doors than they know what to do with. So go be gloom and doom somewhere else me? I gotta go help Mac and Okhotnitsa. I wanna kick some Chicago thug politician ass.
Jack Marinoon 03 Sep 2008 at 8:03 am 87

MovieBob, for me a dip in the polls doesn’t mean a thing. We don’t know who they are polling. I have been polled and no matter how you answer their questions it is always against the President or the republicans. They have clever questions. Most of the time I tell them, to move on to the next one. So even thought Bush’s ratings are low, if something happen and the rubber hit the road, Bush could get things through congress. For the past few years Bush has just ride the wave instead of giving back as good as he got. WHy he did this, only he knows. For 6 years we have been told we are losing in Iraq, when it has been the opposite. Whatever the press puts out there 24/7 it is always the opposite.
MovieBobon 03 Sep 2008 at 9:39 am 88

wf
“1. It is objectively not a scandal.”

It’s a scandal, it’s just as BAD a scandal as John Edwards. Give me a break: The teenaged daughter of the Vice Presidential nominee of the “party of traditional family values” is preggers and unmarried at 17? Damn straight, that’s newsworthy. Should be handled respectfully, yes, but it’s absolutely newsworthy.

BTW, apparently they’re flying the dad out to the convention so he can be onstage with the family (someone correct me on that if that’s no longer true;) essentially turning the entire RNC into a nationally-televised Shotgun Wedding. Classy.

“2. Yes, many conservative media from NRO or The Weekly Standard to the more respected columnists and bloggers would definitely behave much, much better - just show me their equivalent on the left.”

They’d be doing the same damn thing: Letting the “designated wild cards” (Coulter, Savage, etc.) do the dirty work and then ‘reporting on the coverage.’ Sample dialogue: “Well, of course Anne has gone a bit overboard… but IS what she said worth considering on ANY level?” Never, NEVER forget Sturgeon’s Revelation: “98% of EVERYTHING is crap.” That includes culture, politics, parties and the entire effing human race.

“3. There is a difference in both quality and volume. With the transgressions from the right, people like to quote specific examples going back to the 1990s and being kept alive by liberal media. YOu know, nasty stuff that was said about Chelsea.”

So we shouldn’t discuss transgressions that aren’t recent? Well, if you want to take Obama’s drug use, Clinton’s impeachment, Bill Ayers’ terrorism etc. off the table be my guest

“4. The MSM would never play along with a comparable Republican attack but they clearly play along here. With gusto.”

True. I’m sure we all remember that time when the Republican Congress was attacking Clinton over an affair and the media refused to cover it. Wall-to-wall. 24 hours a day. With hired experts on dress stains and body language.

“Allow me a question, since you clearly are non-partisan and above-it-all:”

I’m partisan as HELL… it’s not my fault that my convictions in sum-total are not served in whole either side. If you can show which “side” is more compatible for pro-choice, pro-gun, pro-gay, pro-death penalty, pro-drug-legalization, rabidly-capitalist video-game addicts, please let me know

“do you ever go to left-wing sites and challenge them in a similar way? I want to be there when it happens.”

You can find me giving Jeff Wells are hard time on a pretty regular basis. I don’t really delve into politics-only forums on either side, because the virtual musk of unwashed pajamas and cat food is overpowering.

Stephanie
“What scandle BOB? WHAT? And as far Ayers and Wright yeah tahts a scandle. HUGE SCANDLE!”

SCANDAL. The word is Scandal. “Scandle” sounds like some ghastly combination of a votive candle and something else I’d see for sale at “$5 Below.”

“No one on the right cares and the one person who has said something was shouted down. Now please…..”

Yeah, right. That’s why they’re flyin’ Not-So-Quick-Draw McGraw to the convention for the family photo-op, because Republicans just couldn’t care less…

Jack
“MovieBob, for me a dip in the polls doesn’t mean a thing.”

His numbers are at rock bottom, he lost Congress IN WARTIME, his party told him not to come to the show and the nominee to suceed him is a guy who’s been his rival/gadfly for years. That’s not a dip, that’s a tailspin.
MovieBobon 03 Sep 2008 at 9:41 am 89

stupid boldface. Should’ve ended after the quote from Sturgeon…
tomdeston 03 Sep 2008 at 10:35 am 90

So Moviebob.

It appears you’d rather see the baby dumped in the trash than given a chance at life??
MovieBobon 03 Sep 2008 at 11:01 am 91

tomdest
“It appears you’d rather see the baby dumped in the trash than given a chance at life??”

Where exactly did I say that?
wfon 03 Sep 2008 at 11:07 am 92

MovieBob,

1. Newsworthy? Come on, you know exactly that we are not talking about mere reporting and analysis (which would be ok)

The girl got pregnant, she was already engaged, end of story. He is a married Senator who was stupid enough to lie about his affair while he was running for president. You don´t see the difference? If the press can tone it down to protect his suffering wife, why can´t they do the same for the Palins? SPARE ME the lie about not knowing exactly why.

2. Read your own words. What you are actually saying is that they would NOT be doing the same thing. That´s why you must claim there are “designated wild cards”. What does that mean? George Will or Jonah Goldberg rubbing his hands together, knowing that Michael Savage will express what he really thinks? All conservatives are one living organism now? Like the Borg? If only there were more liberal writers with a sense of decorum who were in need of “designated wild cards” to let themselves go.

And “98 percent of everything is crap” doesn´t prove that point, it is a stupid line that moping adolescents like to throw around.

3. So we shouldn’t discuss transgressions that aren’t recent? Well, if you want to take Obama’s drug use, Clinton’s impeachment, Bill Ayers’ terrorism etc. off the table be my guest

My point is not that this stuff is old. My point is that you cannot find enough recent examples. I quote myself: “I bet you cannot even remember the attacks from last week, like Howard Dean comparing Republicans to Milosevic…it´s too much to keep track of. It is not the exception, it´s their modus operandi. It´s not ours.” There is a reason bork is a verb.

4. “I’m sure we all remember that time when the Republican Congress was attacking Clinton over an affair and the media refused to cover it. Wall-to-wall. 24 hours a day. With hired experts on dress stains and body language.”

Yes, it went too far. Agreed. Then again, the person most responsible for that mess was Clinton himself. Even you will admit that he was an adult at the time as well as president and taking advantage of a dependent person. Even you will see that distinction.

You can find me giving Jeff Wells are hard time on a pretty regular basis.

You challenge Wells on his left-wing views? Can you please notify me next time that happens? Must be something to behold.
MovieBobon 03 Sep 2008 at 10:08 pm 93

wf
“You challenge Wells on his left-wing views? Can you please notify me next time that happens? Must be something to behold.”

I challenge him when I think he’s wrong (or if I’m just feeling like picking a fight) same as I do for anyone. I believe this would be the most recent, from his posting announcing his intent to start deleting the posts of “right wing” trolls:
http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/08/stalinist_purge.php

I’m comment #120, which I’ll repost here as Hollywood Elsewhere’s archives tend to have loading issues:

Jeff…

You’ve, of course, got every right in the world to do this. It’s you’re blog, but it’s still wrong - or at least severely uncool. Banning honest-to-goodness trolls is one thing, but the notion of skewing it along lines of political opinion? Bad mojo. And I say that as someone who counts calling into Fox News to call James Dobson a defacto Nazi (it got out over the broadcast) as a noteworthy personal accomplishment.

I feel sad watching what’s becoming of American liberals. They’re about to win dominant control of Congress and are either going to get a Democrat president who agrees with them or a Republican president who will compromise with them. They’ve WON, with the only question being “how BIG did we win?”, but they’re acting like it’s the Charge of the Light Brigade. Guys, don’t you remember how INSANE conservatives got during the Clinton years… and what kind of men that insanity allowed to come to power in their ranks… and what those men have done? Is that what you want for your side?
wfon 04 Sep 2008 at 1:31 am 94

Cool. You are of course totally sucking up to them, but thanks for not having me follow a link.