More Outrageous CNN Factchecks — Help On The Way?
Posted by Dirty Harry on Sunday, September 21st, 2008
This time it was McCain’s claim that Obama “profited” through his Fannie Mae connection. According to CNN, McCain lied. Their ridiculous reasoning: thus far Obama has raised $390 million for his presidential campaign so how could $160 thousand be considered “profiting?”
That is outrageous. Simply outrageous.
What are these biased charlatans up to… Simple, they want to freeze McCain before he says anything. They want to get into his head and make him reconsider any kind of criticism of Obama for fear these biased charlatans will question his integrity every fifteen minutes.
I said yesterday that conservatives had better get their act together and call this nonsense out for what it is. The Weekly Standard’s Stephen F. Hayes might have got the ball rolling today, but our side needs to make a crusade out of calling foul on these holy rollers of truth and let them they will be fact checked and held accountable, as well.
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Stephanieon 21 Sep 2008 at 3:21 pm 1DH why do you ever watch these people? I don’t. I let others do it because I know the bastards are going to lie and lie and lie. Let them. They are also trying to get into your head and they are doing a really great job. Let it go.
Growltigeron 21 Sep 2008 at 3:23 pm 2When McCain won the Repub. nomination, I knew he could take a punch. What I wondered was whether he can deliver one.
Sooner or later, he’s going to have to take on the real horses in the Obama Campaign (the media).
Jillon 21 Sep 2008 at 3:24 pm 3We’re the underdog. Everybody likes the underdog. We will win.
Jillon 21 Sep 2008 at 3:24 pm 4Pep Rally (& film) at 11:00.
Dirty Harryon 21 Sep 2008 at 3:24 pm 5Better in my head than my head in the sand. I want to know what the enemy is doing and use what little platform I have to sound the alarm.
You’re the one always saying, fight, fight, fight — well that’s exactly what I’m doing.
Jillon 21 Sep 2008 at 3:29 pm 6I watch too and my mom always asks why. I tell her I want to know what the enemy is up to today.
One thing I use to worry about with McCain winning is how he’s always had that cozy relationship with the media and I was worried he’d try to be all cozy with them, trying to please them a bit, as president.
I do not worry anymore. He will NEVER trust them again and I’d go so far as to say I think he’d enjoy pissing them off for 4 years.
Yeeeehaw, baby.
Stephanieon 21 Sep 2008 at 3:30 pm 7OK you guys are a bunch of fraking whiny crybabys! STOP IT! You all sound like a bunch of poor me Thugrocrats. Whats Mac supposed to do to make all of you feel happy? What? Call Obama to his face a leftwing fascist? Have you guys even seen the new ad where Mac takes on Obama’s relationship with James Johnson of Fannie Freddie scandles? What the hell do you want? Stop the complaining. You all sound like a bunch oif leftwingers at some wheat grass tea shop. Boohoo. Like I said channel your energy to VOLUNTEERING! WORK FOR THE CAMPAIGN. No instead people are here crying to each other. Its embaressing. You watch the worst propagandists out there who are doing the same thing they did to Reagan and your shocked? You have no idea at all what Mac and his guys are up to.
I suggest work for the campaign, stop watching CNN and PMSNBC, and the networks. Just calm down. Don’t listen to a word these weasels say. THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE THEM! Its called propaganda. PROPAGANDA! You want to fall for that crap? Let it go.
Stephanieon 21 Sep 2008 at 3:33 pm 8Yeah I do say fight and I know what they are saying without having to watch them. I don’t want to give them the benefit of wasting my time. In fact watching any of that crap is a waste of time. They want to take us out of our game and btw not watching those propagandists is not sticking my head in the sand. And people know that.
maatkareon 21 Sep 2008 at 3:34 pm 9Football will probably mess up the start time, but 60 Minutes is splitting the full hour between separate Obama/McCain interviews. Sorry if it’s been posted in another thread.
Looking Glasson 21 Sep 2008 at 3:39 pm 10Harry,
I do the same thing, going to HuffPo every so often to see the latest. I won’t watch TV though. I’m not that tough.
Thanks for taking the hit for us.
Jimbo2on 21 Sep 2008 at 3:40 pm 11It is at the point that I cannot watch an Obama surrogate, or even Himself, on TV anymore.
How do you know they are lying? THEIR LIPS ARE MOVING!
Jillon 21 Sep 2008 at 3:49 pm 12Hey, no one has even mentioned the Emmy’s tonight.
Any bets on who will be first to get political and make a fool out of himself/herself??
wanketteon 21 Sep 2008 at 4:07 pm 13“I do the same thing, going to HuffPo every so often to see the latest.”
Looking Glass, why don’t you just take three long wooden splinters & stick them in your eye? Quicker & less painful.
wanketteon 21 Sep 2008 at 4:15 pm 14The hacker got served. Check the hotair story about it; actually pretty hilarious. If you’re a Republican.
Curious to see if next week’s SNL cold opening, featuring Obama, will be written by David Zucker. Turnabout, fair play, et al. At least Zucker’s would be, you know, FUNNY.
billypaintbrushon 21 Sep 2008 at 4:39 pm 15Bill Schneider and Jack Cafferty are jackasses. How fools like that can call themselves journalists or accuse ANYBODY of dishonesty is a sad commentary on where we are today.
Stephanieon 21 Sep 2008 at 4:45 pm 16Jack Cafferty is a complete ass. ASS.
Jillon 21 Sep 2008 at 5:01 pm 17Jack Cafferty’s wife died unexpectedly two weeks ago and he was off for a week.
I didn’t miss him.
RESon 21 Sep 2008 at 5:09 pm 18The MSM/Left violates Moynihan’s assertion that:
As noted above, Schneider, Cafferty et al seek to create their own facts.
I have long pondered the attraction the Left has for those segments of our society — admen, actors, lawyers, media — whose business depends upon facile manipulation of “reality.”
Johnny Ed's Babyon 21 Sep 2008 at 5:18 pm 19Bill Schneider! He’s a chump next to Michael Dobbs and Howard Kurtz of the Wash Post. They decided McCain’s Franklin Raines ad was wrong because it relied on what the Wash Post reported and the Obama campaign has never refuted until the ad came out.
When Schneider says a politician can’t rely on CNN then he can move into the ranks of the best media a-holes.
But Jack Cafferty is still the biggest jerk liar on CNN.
Jdespiritoon 21 Sep 2008 at 5:20 pm 20Hey, how’s this for a fact, CNN?
($Some amount) + $160,000 = A profit.
Amazing, it makes me want to jump off a bridge that people out there could fall for this.
Stephanieon 21 Sep 2008 at 5:24 pm 21I can’t deal with Cafferty. I wrote a blog about him. He is the wanna be Edgar R. Murrow, Eric Suskind, David Brinkly of CNN. He sits there hunched over, probably bourbon breathed as he reports what his sychophants are telling him on the web. His sense of self importance is breathtaking. Truly. Just seeing him sitting there in his dirty shirt and and tie with that arrogant condecending I am a newsman look is vomit inducing. He couldn’t carry HL Menckens hat. Assjack doesn’t describe him.
Paulon 21 Sep 2008 at 5:48 pm 22I haven’t bothered with the Emmys since 1992, when the Fox circus turned it into a Bush-bash-a-thon. (Hosted by Dennis Miller. Good that he’s come over to the Dark Side)
Last Feb I intentionally skipped the Oscars for the first time since 1970(And that includes 4 years overseas on active duty)
The truth is I despise Hollywood and the aristocracy that it secretes. Most of the films coming out for the past few years have not been worth the time and the exorbinant money. A few exceptions, but I keep getting pissed-off at the actors that open thier political yaps and directors that infuse thier politics into the films. I look at the old films in my collection and then go to a first-run film and the plot, characters, hell even the music is laid out on a direct road to Sucksville. They cram CGI down our throats and then cram a crappy plot for afters.
These “artists” have nothing but contempt for thier audience, no matter what political affiliation they may be. They think we’re all sheep who will plonk down $7.00 and see thier crap. Me included.
This has turned into a whinny rant, but I’m feeling much better now.(Nod to John Astin)
rrpjron 21 Sep 2008 at 5:53 pm 23This election is like no other in a way largely gone untold so far — it is the coming of the media into its full power to choose a candidate and decide an election (obviously the media won’t be telling us). McCain is no longer running against Obama. And he’ll understand this or he will lose. This is McCain’s great challenge, because it is also his great aversion. As it is, a little more of his oxygen is sucked out of the political air each day. What he says no longer matters to the media as intellectual content. It is just sound to be turned to slur. At the same time, no revelation about Obama matters anymore. Obama could be caught taking bribes from Hugo Chavez or hoarding underage Muslim girls in a Chicago highrise. Quite literally – it wouldn’t matter.
The most corrupt, anti-democratic and dehumanizing institution in America is the mainstream media, and McCain needs to say so (if not in so many words). Make them the issue. Charge them with breaking faith with the people. As they slip into instant frenzy, lashing out, the debate changes immediately. There’s nothing more they can do to McCain, and by the time they realize it’s their own flesh they’re ripping apart, it will be too late. Obama, alone now without his janissaries, will suddenly look like the little imposter-princeling that he really is.
Johnny Ed's Babyon 21 Sep 2008 at 6:11 pm 24rrpjr
McCain taking on the media would be worse than Obama taking on Palin. He has to focus on beating Obama, not the media.
What he should do is have his surrogates, when they go on little Georgy’s show or on little Chrissy’s show, is remind the viewers where these guys came from. All they have to do is start an answer with Well George, you know when you were in the Clinton administration Republicans fought you about having Fannie relax mortgage standards. Or they can say Chris, when you were in the Carter administration, Republicans fought the Community Redevelopment Act which was used by the Clinton administration to fuel the sub-prime loan mess.
Even with Russert’s death there are enough Democrats in the media to remind people where their loyalties are. Not to mention John Roberts on CNN talking about Democrats as ‘we’.
Looking Glasson 21 Sep 2008 at 6:16 pm 25wankette wrote, “Looking Glass, why don’t you just take three long wooden splinters & stick them in your eye? Quicker & less painful.
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Heh. At least they’re honestly hostile at HuffPo. I lurk in the journosphere too. That’s like taking an LSD trip. MindWarp.
rrpjron 21 Sep 2008 at 7:01 pm 26With respect, JEB, the “focus on Obama” isn’t working. That’s the point: the media is neutralizing everything McCain says about Obama. Worse, they’re turning McCain into a “liar” for trying. The answer: attack the media and Obama at the same time, or rather, discredit the media as you attack Obama.
Second, I reject the conventional wisdom that taking on the media is political suicide. The media is the fattest, ripest target in American culture. Of course, these things are always a matter of presentation. But if McCain offers up a sober, scholarly and moral indictment of the institution of the modern media, calls its failures, betrayals and excesses a threat to our civic health — doesn’t make it personal grudge or partisan grievance — he will have made a case. It’s a gamble, but one he needs to make. Two points above all: he’d be right — and in the right — to make it, and the American people would embrace it. It’s impossible to overestimate Americans’ — especially conservatives’ — disgust for the media. Check the websites. Every little moment of media comeuppance is a cause of joyous eruption.
As for the surrogate strategy, too little, too late.
By the way, Obama’s (and the media’s) attack on Palin is just one more reason why people would celebrate an attack on the media.
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Supramom2000on 21 Sep 2008 at 7:26 pm 28I agree. Just look at the response Gov Palin got when she made the quip about not going to Washington to serve the media! Or the quip about bias (NBC, NBC, NBC!!!)
But I think that both Gov Palin and Senator McCain need to head over to O’Reilly. Fair and balanced but tough.
Johnny Ed's Babyon 21 Sep 2008 at 7:26 pm 29rrpjr
You’ll never get me to disagree with you about the lowlifes in the media. Most of them are dishonest scum that couldn’t make a living in a job where honest results are required to collect a paycheck.
But I don’t remember an election where the press wasn’t rooting for the Democrat: 2004, 1992, and 1980 were particularly as bad as this year. But for McCain to go after the press is like a football team complaining about the refs - no matter how bad they are you have to go out and beat the other team.
There will always be surrogates on every cable show every day representing McCain and Obama. It’s fine if they attack the press while also attacking Obama but McCain has to attack Obama because the media is not on the ballot, Obama is.
As much as we wished it were so, the media is not going to wake up and agree they’ve been biased and suddenly decide to be fair. As long as the stock price of the NYT keeps dropping along with their circulation, the people are voting with their wallets. But lets keep our eye on the real target and win this election.
JohnFNWayneon 21 Sep 2008 at 7:34 pm 30I would mock these people at every given opportunity.
Keetson 21 Sep 2008 at 8:08 pm 31rrpjr I think you’re right on.
Danilaon 21 Sep 2008 at 11:16 pm 32I believe this to be a very important issue. This is all the Obama campaign has left, this is it. Just “deny, deny, deny” and the media is doing the heavy lifting. Obama-Biden aren’t saying anything meaningful and doing nothing but make mistakes.
But here’s the thing. I have to agree with Stephanie to a certain extent. The media is flexing its muscle like never before but this isn’t all up to them. Harry, I think you live in a liberal area and so do I (Philadelphia for me). We feel the excitement about Palin-Mccain in our hearts but media and blogs are still our primary political exposure. But when I look at posts like the one about Sarah’s “60,000″, or the 15000 expected to turn out in southeastern Pennsylvania tomorrow (this is the Philadelphia-area, and this will be the largest political rally turnout here since Reagan ‘84), and I gotta believe that the people still maintain control over their votes. The media is not going to decide this vote, the American people will have to do their darnedest.
The polls took away the bounce they gave, but the surge in support is not something they can take away, and it isn’t something the media can handle, because THEY REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT. They can’t even say it to deny its power. They can’t admit that McCain has the support and the momentum, and this could be their undoing. They’re still operating from fear and they still don’t get us. I’d be scared if I thought they actually understood the American public, but the elitists are permanently divorced from comprehension.
Danilaon 21 Sep 2008 at 11:18 pm 33And a good point I just read on FreeRepublic. These rallies and turnouts are what make the news in the battleground states, and this is the media that the people see and care about, not CNN or the Washington Post.
rrpjron 22 Sep 2008 at 9:27 am 34Thanks, Keets.
The McCain camp unloads on the NY Times today:
http://townhall.com/blog/g/9f71bc1b-00c5-414f-a046-8dfffaa46414?comments=true#comments
Stephanieon 22 Sep 2008 at 10:40 am 35RRJR your wrong. Mocking the media would be just fine. Sara did it right off the bat and she is a hit! A HIT!
60k people here went to her rally. Doubt Obama could get 10k in Wisconsin today. I don’t know where you were RR when the people in Cedarberg Wisconsin turned on the major news networks and shouted them down….STOP LYING….but they did. People know whats going on. Its OK to Mock the Media. They deserve it.
rrpjron 22 Sep 2008 at 11:57 am 36Interesting, the cross-purposes that arise in this form of communication. I’m sure my own lack of clarity is the problem.
JEB: Yes, the media has always boosted democrats with its bias. But what we’re now seeing is a total institutional breakdown, i.e., the inevitable corruption produced by institutionalized hate. This makes it an issue of national importance, a crisis even, and one natural for a candidate like McCain to address. Check out Stephen Hayes recent piece in Weekly Standard. This isn’t your father’s bias.
Taking on the media is not different than taking on Obama — only more complete, and necessary. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Stephanie: I never said mocking the media was wrong. Mocking the media is exactly right. Mock away. I’m saying
do more.
Once again: McCain needs to address the massive modern breakdown of journalistic standards and its effect on our democratic health. This doesn’t mean he stops attacking Obama or stops mocking the media. He continues to do both But this more sophisticated, concurrent “attack” will shock and boggle the minds of the media in the last six weeks of the race, make them the issue, strip Obama of his protection racket, and serve a patriotic purpose by drawing attention to a real danger to our nation.
The alternative of saying nothing at the highest levels is to endorse this degradation and just accept that conservatives get abused and misrepresented as a matter of course and the people will figure it out eventually. I’m not happy with that.
Glennon 22 Sep 2008 at 2:05 pm 37Most folks on these DHP “who’s gonna win” threads (with Steph being the epitome) are engaging in too much wishful thinking and not enough hard reality.
88 to 92 percent of the voters have long ago decided who they’re going to vote for, and there is very little chance of them changing their minds. Now that the bounces have settled out, Obama holds a 2 to 6 percent consistent lead in those people.
For Mac to win, he will need to nail a solid majority of the swing voters in most of the swing states. He’s having a real problem doing this. I’ve heard many people say that “Obama can’t close the sale,” but the fact is, if he was PERCIEVED as anything like the hard-core socialist Chicago thug he is, he never would have gotten the nomination, because there aren’t enough moonbats to do that (even among the Dems).
The terrible financial crisis that is upon is a funeral durge for our side. This election is about change. Some people here have convinced themselves that the swing voters will go for Mac as soon as they learn about Bill Ayers. If you believe that, you are living in a fantasy world. The cold, hard reality is that most swing voters dislike politics and they cast their ballots for simple, personal reasons. When the dust settles, we’re going to find that a few million people on OH, VA, MI, FL and CO pushed Obama over the 270 EV mark, and they’re all going to be saying the same thing: “The country is headed in the wrong direction, and it’s time for a change.”