We Now Have 4 Polls That Show Obama Lead Cratering
Posted by Dirty Harry on Tuesday, October 7th, 2008
I’ve already noted these two polls showing Obama’s lead down to 3.
Today we have these:
Hotline Tracking Poll: 46 Obama - 44 McCain
Democracy Corps: 49 Obama - 46 McCain
The John McCain who showed up at Saddleback needs to show up tonight at the debate. McCain has one big advantage on Obama — McCain can show warmth and connect with those undecideds in the audience. Obama’s about as warm as a college professor upset at having to show up for work because his assistant called in sick.
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tranquilitason 07 Oct 2008 at 7:49 am 2Heard someone say recently that people vote for the guy they’d like to have a beer with. He thought that was Obama. I thought is he kidding? Obama acts like a college professor who knows more than anyone else. Who ever wanted to go out drinking with their professor? (Except of course the guy who thought it would help his grade).
McCain ,on the other hand, reminds me of the guy you meet at someone’s backyard barbeque and tells interesting stories all night.
Johnny Ed's Babyon 07 Oct 2008 at 7:53 am 3If Ayers and Dorhn are no big deal, why is the Obama campaign so afraid to talk about it? The despicable Bill Burton was on this morning saying those questions have been asked and answered. Big pile of BS!!!!
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 7:57 am 4This is a town hall debate and this is where Mac shines. I love the headlines on AOL….McCain running out of room what a bunch of shit. Now I told ya’ll that if alternative press started raising hell about Ayers, Wright etc. the MSM couldn’t help but report it. They can deny it all they want.
What hurts really badly is why is Kenya holding Jerome Corsi there? He went to give Obama’s brother a thousand dollar check from a conservative donor and do more digging and hmmm the Kenyan authorities say they lost his paper? WTF? THis doesn’t help Obama…..
David123456on 07 Oct 2008 at 7:59 am 5Hotline tracking poll? LOL. Okay! And if that “Democracy Corps” poll fires up the troops I’m all for it! Still looking pretty miserable out there though.
But Obama is down a point on the RCP tracking poll average. That might indicate a trend. Too bad McCain is now losing in all the battleground states (also according to RCP). Courage!
Joe 6Packon 07 Oct 2008 at 7:59 am 6If there was a critical military operation where the nation was at stake, one would want to send in elite delta forces. We would want the most intelligent, qualified people to do the job.
Reading these comments about voting for the people you want to have beer with is the very type of thing that got us in the mess with W. that we’re in. Its obvious Palin and McCain are not it.
think about it people - the country’s problem is too grave to do otherwise.
Johnny Ed's Babyon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:00 am 7And now the Obama campaign (never Obama himself) says he didn’t know about Ayers and Dohrn’s background when he worked with him.
So B. Hussein did not know about Wright. He did not know about Rezko. He did not know about Phleger. He did not know about Ayers. He did not know about Dohrn.
And the argument to vote for Obama is his wise judgement?
Jack Marinoon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:01 am 8The polls are going to go back and forth even on election day. The Dems and the Obama media are the ones drooling over high polls of Obama. Just like they did for Gore, Kerry, Dukakis, Mondale, all winners. The same results will happen on NOV 4 because the media is absolutely clueless on what the people think and want. They ignore the silent majority and its the silent majority who go to the polls and will vote republican and blow Obama out of the history books. This play goes on and on over and over again. Liberals will never understand that America is a conservative country with a liberal culture and cultures come and go. All McCain and Palin must do is expose all the dirt that Obama got HIMSELF into as a ‘community organizer’ and keep hammering his hated for whitey and America. He will bury himself forever.
Rusty Jameson 07 Oct 2008 at 8:01 am 9@ “Now I told ya’ll that if alternative press started raising hell about Ayers, Wright etc. the MSM couldn’t help but report it.”
that’s not what happened though. Sarah Palin mentioned it on the stump. Remember?
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:06 am 10And our little brownshirt Rusty returns. Will you please maggot go infest something else. Your like an incurrable bout of the clap or a tick thats in a spot we can’t remove.
Anyway David the polls go back and forth. A town hall format is where Mac does his best work. He gets engaged with his audience and brings a lot of who he is out. A podium is often too confining. This was the kind of debate Hitler I mean Obama tried to dodge.
I honestly think Hillary’s supporters are moving this all along below the radar. After rewatching Harriet Christian tell off the dem rules committee by saying Goddamn the Democrat party and she is still viscerally angry (Neil Cavuto had her on the other day and it was awesome) and so are so many of her helpers you gotta believe tehre is something going on. Everytime Neil Cavuto has her on I just grin…go get em girl!
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:08 am 11Does anyone have a soundbite of Obama reading his first book “White Man’s greed…….” I can’t remember the entire quote however it would be worth having a soundbite of that.
Dirty Harryon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:08 am 12Rusty sounds scared today.
I’m kinda diggin’ that.
Kiton 07 Oct 2008 at 8:09 am 13We’ll lose, this is why:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10062008/news/nationalnews/homeless_driven_to_vote_obama_132395.htm
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:13 am 14Joe6Pack your no Joe 6 Pack..I am, DH is, Jack is, JEB is, Carolyn is…Wankette is, EP is, Rich is, ..But you “smirk” Joe are probably some stupid college student or some vegan loser who hasn’t had a decent meal in years..as in your a leftwing fascist…..here is a cheer for you Der Fuhrer……
Ist in der Vergangenheit Obama, ist jetzt Obama, morgen wenn Obama, immer Obama… Obama für immer.
Chorus:
SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL!
Rusty Jameson 07 Oct 2008 at 8:14 am 15@ “Rusty sounds scared today. ”
l will prove you wrong by quoting the Hotline Tracking Poll.
Anyways, my point above is purely apolitical.
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:15 am 16Kit sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ohio early voting was light….not heavy. And they always do this don’t worry.
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:17 am 17Yep Wusty the Brownshirt is scared….good…
hubris Wusty….assumption to the gods…get it? Thats a problem with you evildoers.
Kiton 07 Oct 2008 at 8:18 am 18Stephanie,
Thanks for the reassurance.
Tommy Von 07 Oct 2008 at 8:20 am 19I think he has another advantage:
He can talk about what he actually believes. He does not have to hide who he actually is.
This is a more powerful advantage that we may think.
promon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:26 am 20Mccain needs to smah Obama, not merely offer substance. He has to reudce Obama to his usual stuttering. Please, John, we’re counting on ya.
David123456on 07 Oct 2008 at 8:27 am 21Anyway David the polls go back and forth. A town hall format is where Mac does his best work.
I know, which is why I haven’t thrown in the towel. Now that McCain is starting to talk about Obama’s ties to Fannie, while Palin bludgeons Obama with Ayers, I’m cautiously optimistic they can turn this around as the market meltdown fades to background noise. I just thought it was funny citing these no-name polls. It just makes us look desperate.
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:28 am 22Anyone ever see this Youtube? Now you want to ask yourselves who the racist is…this Obama, in the Dear Leader’s Own Words….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_RvYAQh1Fc
Lovely…
Johnny Ed's Babyon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:38 am 23Just the fact that Obama would write those words and then record them shows a Harvard degree is not proof of intelligence.
Did he think people would not notice or be offended?
Lexingtonon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:42 am 24Remember those days when Harry would roar about how Rasmussen was the most accurate poll, by far?
Funny how you don’t hear about that anymore, eh?
Bennett Marcoon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:43 am 25I like the way this is shaping up.
McCain can remain “statesman-like” and issue-focused by concentrating on tying Obama to the root causes of the financial meltdown (CRA, Dems refusal to do anything about Fannie/Freddie, etc.). This approach gives Big John the added advantage of “talking about the economy.”
While McCain jabs, Sarah should keep “working the body” with the questionable-character stuff (Ayers, Wright (?), dissing the troops, general anti-Americanism, etc.). This is great because: 1) it bucks up the base; and 2) the Obama campaign clearly does not want to talk about Ayers et al.
Now, if we could get abortion and gun-control (Dems don’t want to go there…or there) on the agenda, we may really have something here…
T.S.Benchon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:44 am 26……Yep Wusty the Brownshirt is scared….good…
hubris Wusty….assumption to the gods…get it? Thats a problem with you evildoers……..
Just wondering, but do you ever write anything of substance?
Yes, Stalin did famously state that “quantity has a quality all its own”, but I think he was refering to T-34 production, not blog posts during supposedly serious discussions.
Regards,
TSB
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:45 am 27Chilling…completely chilling. What is staggering to me is that the idiots running the DNC would think this could pass muster on the general electorate. I mean really who the f is the racist here? He gets no get out of jail free pass either. To hell with protecting this guy because of his race. Thejre are in my opinion races. the only people who shill this kind of shit are Democrates and Obama, with his underlying Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson attitude is the biggest racist out there. Truly.
What I get out of the subtext of his rantings is a deep seated insecurity. A man who has no real idea of who he is. He is so uncomfortable with himself. That creates a dangerous precendent.
Kiton 07 Oct 2008 at 8:48 am 28We might win this thing!
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:48 am 29TSB sweetheart I am on your side.
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 8:50 am 30To hell with protecting this guy because of his race. Thejre are in my opinion races.
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Oh for an edit button…
There are in my opinion no races. None. The people who like to use racism and talk about it are the ones who have racial issues.
Rusty Jameson 07 Oct 2008 at 8:52 am 31@ “TSB sweetheart I am on your side.”
which is probably why he’s got a problem. I hate it when I hear my own opinions articulated poorly.
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 9:21 am 32Rusty again stop spewing your leftist hate mongering…its making my hair and the rest of the girls hair frizzy…….
I wouldn’t call you a leftiwing fascist if you didn’t act like one…….
T.S.Benchon 07 Oct 2008 at 9:30 am 33…..I know, which is why I haven’t thrown in the towel. Now that McCain is starting to talk about Obama’s ties to Fannie, while Palin bludgeons Obama with Ayers…..
I think that McCain HAS to discuss those sketchy personal and political associations. Obama wants them off the table, and McCain mentioning them keeps them in the public’s mind, whether big media wants to paper over them or not.
The presidenial candidates always get the greater play over the veeps. Palin can pile on, but McCain has to take the lead.
Palin, like Biden, is too easy to dismiss.
Obama’s plan for playing the Keating card in response is a loser. First, the scandal was a Democrat one, with McCain, it is generally ackowledged, tossed in just to make it bipartisan, and probably as a counterweight to Glenn. McCain took a very minor hit, easily won reelection, and never sinned again. Obama’s relationships with his personal menagerie of dirt bags is decades old and ongoing.
Obama may think that the Senate Ethics Committee statement that McCain’s “actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him….Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate” will counterbalance pictures of Ayers’ perp walk or Wright’s lunatic ravings. He will be wrong.
McCain also has to hang the financial mess on the Dems, who actually do own it. His, and Palin’s, ‘goddamn bankers’ meme was just stomach turning. Screw the ‘able to work both sides of the aisle’ bullshit because nobody cares…it is code for ‘ I’ll abandon the reasons you voted for me in order to reach consensus with people who consider consensus as agreeing with their point of view.” Plus, it’s meaningless, since the Dems are going to control the legislative branch, and McCain’s only power will be the veto one, provided the congress isn’t veto-proof. They won’t play ball with McCain if he is elected, but will try to screw him, and the Republicans, at every turn. Trying to shape national policy as President is a different job than trying to deliver a electronics contract to a factory outside Flagstaff.
People are starting to pay attention. McCain either takes the gloves off or will be killed in a landslide if he lets Obama set the ground rules. It’s just how it is.
Regards,
TSB
Rusty Jameson 07 Oct 2008 at 9:37 am 34@ “I wouldn’t call you a leftiwing fascist if you didn’t act like one…….”
I don’t think anyone can actually make sense of your manic bouts of random profanity and capitalization anyways. Do find yourself frequently blacking out at the key board?
rrpjron 07 Oct 2008 at 9:38 am 35I wouldn’t expect any thunder and lightning tonight. Townhall formats are not conducive to conflict or grave debate. They bring out the swell-fellow panderer in McCain.
Rick Moran has a piece today at Rightwing Nuthouse asserting that voters don’t care about Ayers, etc.
“The America of ordinary, hard working people is fearful. And why shouldn’t they be? If they’re like me – barely able to grasp what the hell is going on in the financial markets – they nevertheless know that it is unprecedented and that some very smart people are extremely worried. When 60% of us believe we are headed for a 1930’s style depression, catcalls from candidates about who their friends might be simply doesn’t resonate. People have much bigger worries on their minds.”
I don’t agree that no one cares about Ayers, etc., but rather that McCain needs to make a larger argument about “trust” and more importantly “trusteeship” related to the economy. First, he has to confront this “fear” stuff head-on. He has to tell Americans to stiffen their spines because it won’t be easy pulling out of this mess. But there is a way, and while not the easy way, it is the good, right and ultimately more successful way. He has to spell this out in the simplest terms possible and with the starkest contrast not only to the false seductions of Obama’s tried-and-failed statist model – a hopeless kind of non-change change that only produces more misery and dependency – but also to the pandering, quasi-liberalism of George Bush. He has to inform and inspire people out of their fear. Obama cannot, by definition, inform or inspire.
Ayers and his friends can be raised to support the point of Barack Obama as a naïve, irresponsible and untrustworthy leftist easily and completely seduced by foolish and destructive people willing to set up foundations to throw away $50 million of other people’s money on radical pet projects that help nobody and reform nothing.
And, yes, these people also hate America.
The word is “Leftist,” John. Can you say that?
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 9:53 am 36We don’t want grave debate we just want Mac to ask those quesitons…we want people to see how Obama reacts when cornered. Again, this is Mac’s forte’ his strongest debate area..this is where our guy shines.
Remember he asked that fascist to do ten town hall debates and Obama ran from that invite like a cat being chased by a pissed off Doberman. If Obama comes off like the condescending jerk he is and Mac connects Mac gets new voters. All he has to do is show Obama’s flaws. And now back down. And if I know Mac he won’t ever back down. He was thunder and freaking lightning yesterday in NM…I heard sound bites today and was like oooohhhhhhhh Obama the old fox is gonna take a big freaking bite outta your ass tonight…and all your ding dong Harvard bs won’t help you.
T.S.Benchon 07 Oct 2008 at 11:31 am 37…..TSB sweetheart I am on your side…..
We may be voting for the same ticket, but you’re certainly not on my side.
I first became involved in internet politics decades ago during the 2nd Amdt battles. We had nearly as much trouble with our supposed ‘friends’ as with HCI. It was a pretty straightforward endeavor countering the anti-gun folks, but our ‘friends’ thought (just like some here) they were helping with a steady stream of near-hysterical vitriol, name calling, attacking anti-gunners as commies, socialists, fascists, thugs, ’sheeple’, including some ridiculous ad hom attacks on John McCain, making up their own facts, misreading history, etc. We spent as much time debunking ‘friendly’ myths and countering ‘friendly’ bullshit as working for the cause.
We won a few, and we lost a few. But we also managed to make gun control the third-rail of American politics.
We may win this fight, or we may lose, but we’re not going to change many minds by calling people brownshirts.
Regards,
TSB
whiskeyon 07 Oct 2008 at 2:03 pm 38McCain’s best argument is to bring up Ayers, and Wright, and Father Eminem, and the earmarks …
And argue that Obama in a depression and /or recession would pander to the extreme hard left and minority grievance, hate-America, hate-Whitey groups at the expense of ordinary working Americans.
THAT resonates. Who’s side are you on? McCain paints Obama as on the side of hard-left grievance/socialist minorities, putting Joe Sixpack out of work so that one of Wright’s cronies can have his job, OR taxing him death for Welfare for Minorities and Hard Left political groups in hard times.
This is Atwater’s style. And it works because there is a fundamental conflict, made even greater in hard times, between spending money on grievance, hate-Whitey groups, and Joe Sixpack. It’s evident in crime (pander to Black grievance groups, or secure public safety) but also critically the economy. Atwater was no racist, merely pointing out (why they hated him) that colliding interests, in which there can be only winners and losers.
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 2:11 pm 39Nope no earmarks. Gov. SPending Freeze. You guys would not believe how bright people’s eyes get when they hear gov. Spending freeze!
Mac has to go after this bastard on a trillion dollar spending spree he wants to launch………and Ayers, and his lies and the leftist propaganda bs that he is spewing about air raiding villiages and killing civilians. THis scum bag actually believes he is that much better than the men and women who fight for this country. What an elitist bottom feeding scumbag!
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 2:12 pm 40He said our troops are “just killing civilians.” Period.
And they are. Period.
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 2:32 pm 41I screwed up on comment 39…please delete or ignore it….
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 2:42 pm 42Oh TSB you just like playing patty cake with people who would take your rights away….whose hysterical or who merely likes to look at ethe enemy as a political opponent….Think about it. Obama and his nazis are the worst thing that could ever happen to our country now if you want to be amused by them, placate them and maybe try and get along by them well…you are doing the same thing Paul von Hindenberg did when he appointed Adolf Hitler as chancellor of Germany…….he thought like you do that he could control what is uncontrollable.
Now TSBY darlin……I know none of these people have ever called you names, threatend you or your friends physically simply because of what you were wearing or the bumper sticker on your car but its happened to me, friends of mine..and we are supposed to let them run us over? Well your “friends” you know teh ones you sh*t on here for being passionate and knowing the enemy better than you do had a clue. They are the enemy. Have you ever seen Evan Sayett? Or read Liberal Fascist, by Jonah Goldberg? Or do you just have a delicate nature and think people can just get along….well they can’t. Let me tell you a story:
I used to work for Nonprofit in DC that helped students organize conservative groups on campus. A girl had a booth set up near the entrance to a student union at U-Arizone or Arizone State can’t remember which campus and she was assaulted by two leftist, feminazi, fugly women’s studies profs. Now you sit there and say oh we shouldn’t call them names? Well why don ‘t you ask her, or friends of mine who had the flag they were taking to a pro troops rally flipped off how they shoudl just ignore. I mean TSB Darlin if these leftwing brownshirt fanatical nutjobs behaved like Joe Lieberman and Ralph Hall of Texas, and Zell Miller we could get along but they don’t. THey behave like a bunch of Nazi rabble at a beer cellar when a group of Jews walk in.
Bennett Marcoon 07 Oct 2008 at 3:03 pm 43I guess that “first-to-play-the-Hitler-card-loses” rule isn’t in effect…
T.S.Benchon 07 Oct 2008 at 5:23 pm 44……..Oh TSB you just like playing patty cake with people who would take your rights away….whose hysterical or who merely likes to look at ethe enemy as a political opponent….Think about it. Obama and his nazis are the worst thing that could ever happen to our country now if you want to be amused by them, placate them and maybe try and get along by them well…you are doing the same thing Paul von Hindenberg did when he appointed Adolf Hitler as chancellor of Germany…….he thought like you do that he could control what is uncontrollable.
Now TSBY darlin……I know none of these people have ever called you names, threatend you or your friends physically simply because of what you were wearing or the bumper sticker on your car but its happened to me, friends of mine..and we are supposed to let them run us over? Well your “friends” you know teh ones you sh*t on here for being passionate and knowing the enemy better than you do had a clue. They are the enemy. Have you ever seen Evan Sayett? Or read Liberal Fascist, by Jonah Goldberg? Or do you just have a delicate nature and think people can just get along….well they can’t. Let me tell you a story:
I used to work for Nonprofit in DC that helped students organize conservative groups on campus. A girl had a booth set up near the entrance to a student union at U-Arizone or Arizone State can’t remember which campus and she was assaulted by two leftist, feminazi, fugly women’s studies profs. Now you sit there and say oh we shouldn’t call them names? Well why don ‘t you ask her, or friends of mine who had the flag they were taking to a pro troops rally flipped off how they shoudl just ignore. I mean TSB Darlin if these leftwing brownshirt fanatical nutjobs behaved like Joe Lieberman and Ralph Hall of Texas, and Zell Miller we could get along but they don’t. THey behave like a bunch of Nazi rabble at a beer cellar when a group of Jews walk in…..
Okay, here’s my entry in your contest….
Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. One, two! One, two! and through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back.
I think I win, on the basis of clarity and germaneness.
Regards,
TSB
Kiton 07 Oct 2008 at 5:24 pm 45Stephanie,
Did you just say the student was assaulted by PROFESSORS?
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 5:35 pm 46Yep….it happened two years ago. She was there helping sign up kids to start a conservative group and two of these fugly cows assaulted her. I believe it made the Hannity radio show and O’Reilly………….Thats why they get worse from me than they get. See its not merely insulting my President (Whom pisses me off right now) its insulting my father who fought for this country, my husband who is in the service. If you have your boss whom you admire almost more than any person alive called a Nazi by one of these vomit spewing vermin it will piss you off. I did. You wanna know why these scumbag traitors get no quarter from me those are the reasons. I don’t mind a reasoned debate I do mind asinine condescention, stupidity and evil. These people who attack us need to be put down and set into! And I will not apologize to people who merely want to go along to get along. Our country is at stake, our way of life. Apparently certain people have no clue about that. These aren’t Scoop Jackson democrats. And if certain people want to bend over and take it well good hope they bring some lube…me…..I am not gonna take it anymore. And TSB if you don’t like it you can kiss my butt.
Stephanieon 07 Oct 2008 at 5:37 pm 47Also I knew TSB was a leftist troll. His retarded rant verified it. No answer just a hysterical rant. Its funny but if TSB was the guy in Green watching teh game last night from home base…five rows up….I understand completely now.
Bennett Marcoon 07 Oct 2008 at 5:46 pm 48TSB,
Watch out for that Jabborwack!
I heard he eats Red Sox fans…
T.S.Benchon 08 Oct 2008 at 7:18 am 49……Also I knew TSB was a leftist troll…….
Yep, you have to get up pretty early in the morning to get one by you.
….. His retarded rant verified it. No answer just a hysterical rant……
My mistake. I thought you had to be at least 16 to drop out of school. Evidently that isn’t the case everywhere.
…… Its funny but if TSB was the guy in Green watching teh game last night from home base…five rows up….I understand completely now……
Not to put too fine a point on it, but the only person who watches the entire game from home plate (which is what we call it around here) is the ball/strike umpire, and he was wearing blue and black.
I believe I also mentioned that my seat was in the field boxes that angle out toward left field, which is nowhere near home plate. You may not understand as completely as you think.
Regards,
TSB.